说完了，删除。
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你看看。我就知道有人会有意见。这肤色和素质本身就是个热门敏感话题，在加上“中国梦”这三个字，莫名其妙的敏感大词，快成国际玩笑了。
这不怨国内的网友敏感，只能说有些贴手的感觉有些过于肤浅和虚无缥缈。帖子写了让人哭笑不得。 :) - Re: 璇汇�婁腑鍥芥ⅵ銆嬬殑涓�鐐圭枒鎯戔�曗�曞鏉ョ殑鈥滃帤榛戔�濓紵锛�posted on 01/06/2006
两位兄弟，这篇文章开头是写实，尾巴是虚构，
我倒希望尾巴上的事情不会在中国发生，可是，
我大学时的外教自己就说他是失业人员，找工作找到
中国去。在中国，没有教学经验的外教很多，
所以，这种事情完全可能发生。
可以把这篇文章作为一种反讽，希望国内的标准更高。 - Re: 璇汇�婁腑鍥芥ⅵ銆嬬殑涓�鐐圭枒鎯戔�曗�曞鏉ョ殑鈥滃帤榛戔�濓紵锛�posted on 01/06/2006
很好的小说，为什么要“实证”，为什么要“反讽”呢？ - Re: 璇汇�婁腑鍥芥ⅵ銆嬬殑涓�鐐圭枒鎯戔�曗�曞鏉ョ殑鈥滃帤榛戔�濓紵锛�posted on 01/07/2006
xw wrote:
很好的小说，为什么要“实证”，为什么要“反讽”呢？
:))) - Re: 璇汇�婁腑鍥芥ⅵ銆嬬殑涓�鐐圭枒鎯戔�曗�曞鏉ョ殑鈥滃帤榛戔�濓紵锛�posted on 01/07/2006
xw wrote:
很好的小说，为什么要“实证”，为什么要“反讽”呢？
This XW. We need send him to Iowa Readers Workshop! :) - Re: 璇汇�婁腑鍥芥ⅵ銆嬬殑涓�鐐圭枒鎯戔�曗�曞鏉ョ殑鈥滃帤榛戔�濓紵锛�posted on 01/07/2006
谢谢xw的谬奖。
不喜欢这个结尾的人，可以当成反讽。
可是，我的本意，确实是希望大家心胸更开阔一些，
我们刚到美国时候，跟无家可归可归者没什么两样。既然美国
可以给我们这些黄种人提供机会，黑人又为什么不可以去中国淘金呢? - posted on 01/07/2006
benfangd wrote:
谢谢xw的谬奖。
不喜欢这个结尾的人，可以当成反讽。
可是，我的本意，确实是希望大家心胸更开阔一些，
我们刚到美国时候，跟无家可归可归者没什么两样。既然美国
可以给我们这些黄种人提供机会，黑人又为什么不可以去中国淘金呢?
It's different. You got free university education. You are not elite, but you consumed the precious resources and opportunity of China at that time. And you struggled to get the visa to US. I can saftely summe you have have been so lucky that you forgot maybe 1 in 100 people at your age got that luck, no metter how routine and boring you are doing right now .:)
The guy in your story is entirely different, he is the true loser of his own society. No education, and got criminal record, no willing of good life, why China should grant him any dream? "Chinese Dream" is the tile you shoudl really understand to use. :) - posted on 01/07/2006
Many years ago, I took an English language class taught and managed by Americans in China. It cost me 800 RMB for a couple of evening classes --- still very expensive at the time, but a lot of young people enrolled for a chance to practice English conversation with real foreigners. I suspect it was a Christian organization disguised as educational institute to spread the God’s words, so the money would probably go to the charity, anyway I don’t mind that at all. The problem was that the teaching materials were outdated and boring and the instructor misspelled even simple words. When being corrected, he got all offended and gave us some BS about how respectable the institute was in the U.S. I mean thanks for coming all the way to China but this is not the right way to do charity!
Oh, btw, I don't think race matters. I don't care if they are losers or not in their own country, or if they can get Chinese girls. The only thing that matters is: do you have the necessary expertise to do your job? - posted on 01/07/2006
Susan wrote:
Many years ago, I took an English language class taught and managed by Americans in China. It cost me 800 RMB for a couple of evening classes --- still very expensive at the time, but a lot of young people enrolled for a chance to practice English conversation with real foreigners. I suspect it was a Christian organization disguised as educational institute to spread the God’s words, so the money would probably go to the charity, anyway I don’t mind that at all. The problem was that the teaching materials were outdated and boring and the instructor misspelled even simple words. When being corrected, he got all offended and gave us some BS about how respectable the institute was in the U.S. I mean thanks for coming all the way to China but this is not the right way to do charity!
Some girls even married this sort of American Trash. Compared to them, your experience was not that bad. Don't complain too much. :) - posted on 01/07/2006
Oh, btw, I don't think race matters. I don't care if they are losers or not in their own country, or if they can get Chinese girls. The only thing that matters is: do you have the necessary expertise to do your job?
Race and Color doesn't matter (Sure). Winner or Loser doesn't matter(here cast my doubts). But one thing does matter, that's the willingness, the eagerness,and the unsuppressed motivation for a better life. If you write up a story, the depict on that, and the writer's ability to depict on that, determies your taste, as a start. - once a loser, not always a loserposted on 01/07/2006
I understand what 令狐兄 said that the society should be merit based.
But, you can't say if you become homeless once, you don't deserve a
new opportunity.
I once read a true story. A homeless person find a job to be a financial adviser. He has no place to go so he slept in the office.
His boss think he work so hard and promoted him. Guess what, later
he opened his own firm to manage money for other people.
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benfangd wrote:
不喜欢这个结尾的人，可以当成反讽。
反讽 what? :) - Re: 璇汇�婁腑鍥芥ⅵ銆嬬殑涓�鐐圭枒鎯戔�曗�曞鏉ョ殑鈥滃帤榛戔�濓紵锛�posted on 01/07/2006
LingHuChong：
"反讽 what? :) "
It means even though the foreigner are well respected in China, but they could be homeless in their own country.
It is similar to a fake official got undue respect from the crowd. - posted on 01/07/2006
I once read a true story. A homeless person find a job to be a financial adviser. He has no place to go so he slept in the office.His boss think he word so hard and promoted him. Guess what, later
he opened his own firm to manage money for other people.
Then write us about him. From your story roll-out, your casting words, we will judge whether they are qulified for the happy fairy-tale results. :)
Don't think we readers are dump. Give us some baisc respect. :) - Re: 璇汇�婁腑鍥芥ⅵ銆嬬殑涓�鐐圭枒鎯戔�曗�曞鏉ョ殑鈥滃帤榛戔�濓紵锛�posted on 01/07/2006
benfangd wrote:
It means even though the foreigner are well respected in China, but they could be homeless in their own country.
It is similar to a fake official got undue respect from the crowd.
The results have to be reasonable. Writing is not sth with broken words simple piled together.
China is different now. Whether the guy should be repsected, depends on how you write it. - posted on 01/07/2006
任谁也阻挡不了外人到中国淘金，自古以来，无论这些鬼祟是以强盗的身份还是娼妓的身份。自荐枕席者为什么糟耻笑，只怕他（她）干不来，性无能。
中国人在美国主流社会登堂入室的有几人？恐怕绝大多数的“精英们”还是涮盘子洗碗的干活，在美国底层社会的滚滚红尘中相忘江湖挣扎辗转吧。
有十几亿中国人给你撑门面做主，作者不妨就厚颜一点，直抒胸意写个《美国梦》出来，也别没完没了的自断手足，让中国的青少年食一肚子臭鱼烂虾，闹上营养不良，让中国这么多下岗贫困父母含冤泣血。
知道兄弟你在美国的日子不好混，你写的老黑也可怜见的，毕竟咱们家底薄，十几亿人的日子还是小米粥在锅里上不了台面这么熬着哪。你也寻思寻思，锅里没有你的碗里就有了？
自凿后壁者屡见不鲜，凡是中国人，要是都从这篇《中国梦》里读不出媚外之心，那才是完蛋操的中国人。
by benfangd 不喜欢这个结尾的人，可以当成反讽。可是，我的本意，确实是希望大家心胸更开阔一些，我们刚到美国时候，跟无家可归可归者没什么两样。既然美国可以给我们这些黄种人提供机会，黑人又为什么不可以去中国淘金呢?
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