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HOUSTON, Texas (AP) -- Andrea Yates left jail early Thursday for a state mental hospital where she will await her second capital murder trial for the drowning deaths of her young children.
Yates' attorney posted her $200,000 bond, releasing her from incarceration for the first time since the five children were drowned in the family bathtub in June 2001.
State District Judge Belinda Hill set the bond Wednesday.
Yates, 41, didn't speak as she left the jail. She carried a brown paper sack and wore jeans and a blue-and-white striped shirt as she entered a car with her attorney and a private investigator for the drive to the mental hospital.
Her attorney, George Parnham, said he would answer questions after returning Yates to East Texas, where she previously spent more than three years at a prison psychiatric unit.
The judge said she couldn't order Yates to commit herself to the Rusk State Hospital, but said she set the bond based on Yates remaining there until her March 20 trial. Once the trial begins, Yates will return to the Harris County Jail. The trial is expected to last four to six weeks.
Yates faces capital murder charges for drowning three of the children and has pleaded innocent by reason of insanity.
A jury rejected her original insanity defense in 2002 and sentenced her to life in prison for the drowning of 7-year-old Noah, 5-year-old John and 6-month-old Mary. Prosecutors presented evidence about the drownings of Paul, 3, and Luke, 2, but Yates was not charged in their deaths.
An appeals court last year overturned the convictions based on testimony by the state's expert witness about a nonexistent episode on television's "Law & Order" series. The expert, Park Dietz, said a show about a woman with postpartum depression who drowned her children had aired shortly before the Yates children were drowned.
- Re: Andrea Yates released from jail (zt cnn.com)posted on 02/03/2006
I remember this from the news. forgot if there was any mentioning of her husband, if any? - Re: Andrea Yates released from jail (zt cnn.com)posted on 02/03/2006
From what I remember, the husband was supportive on her trial and wanted her to be in mental hospital instead of prison. He divorced Andrea and remarried. Some think the husband should share the blame. I kind of agree.
八十一子 wrote:
I remember this from the news. forgot if there was any mentioning of her husband, if any? - posted on 02/03/2006
She gave him five children and he divorced her while she had just given birth to the last one?
Susan wrote:
From what I remember, the husband was supportive on her trial and wanted her to be in mental hospital instead of prison. He divorced Andrea and remarried. Some think the husband should share the blame. I kind of agree.
八十一子 wrote:
I remember this from the news. forgot if there was any mentioning of her husband, if any? - Re: Andrea Yates released from jail (zt cnn.com)posted on 02/03/2006
我希望最好她不是精神病，然后让她伏法。
牺牲孩子然后满足自己的精神快感不可饶恕。
但如果她精神不正常，那就不好说了。
有个关键问题，耶茨到底是不是精神病？或者说这个精神病和她老公有没有什么必然的联系？等待楼主的进一步信息。 - posted on 02/03/2006
青冈，你不知道的，不要乱讲。
我非常同情她的，当时这个案子对我冲击力非常大，我看了所有的有关这个案子的调查资料和对她先生、家庭的访问。
不是因为她的精神病，是一种我至今不太明了的东西抓着我。
这个案子我想谈谈的。
最佩服的是yeats先生，他是个真男人，真好汉，他一直没有放弃对妻子的爱，一直鼓励她，去监狱看她，案发后从来没有说一句责怪的话，他只是当时太忽略妻子的心理变化了。
青冈 wrote:
我希望最好她不是精神病，然后让她伏法。
牺牲孩子然后满足自己的精神快感不可饶恕。
但如果她精神不正常，那就不好说了。
有个关键问题，耶茨到底是不是精神病？或者说这个精神病和她老公有没有什么必然的联系？等待楼主的进一步信息。 - Re: Andrea Yates released from jail (zt cnn.com)posted on 02/03/2006
玛雅，我没乱讲啊，你诬陷我。
如果没有精神病，溺死5个小孩总是不对的吧。
或者她是某个邪教的？我知道美国有好多小邪教。 - Re: Andrea Yates released from jail (zt cnn.com)posted on 02/03/2006
青冈，这是个老案子，YATES有精神病是早就确诊的了，只是法庭认为她在作案时可
以分清善恶，所以判了无期。最近由于发现证据有误，所以将开庭重审。
玛雅，那你多谈谈啊。我对这个案子也有些想法，过几天写下来。对那个丈夫我不
大喜欢的，他在NASA工作，收入不错，但对家庭经济毫无计划，有很长时间一家六
口住蓬车里(trailer)，里面还堆满了他的运动器材---我对这最后一句特别难忘, 耿耿于怀。
- Re: Andrea Yates released from jail (zt cnn.com)posted on 02/03/2006
好，青冈，我话说重了，她的确是非常严重的产后悒郁综合症患者，也许还有其他的病。案子充满神秘色彩。这个案子让我难过了起码一个多星期。
青冈 wrote:
玛雅，我没乱讲啊，你诬陷我。
如果没有精神病，溺死5个小孩总是不对的吧。
或者她是某个邪教的？我知道美国有好多小邪教。 - Re: Andrea Yates released from jail (zt cnn.com)posted on 02/04/2006
我读研的时候, 系里有一对夫妻同学, 勤奋, 朴实, 上进, 待人和善, 反正是三好学生五好家庭的典范, 口碑没的说. 上次回国, 闲聊中听同学说那女的自杀了, 感觉非常沉重. 轻生的原因是产后忧郁症, 无法现实对待新生儿对自己生活带来的冲击.
以前看过Yates的报道, 了解不多, 但五个幼子对一个母亲的负担, 可以不难想象, 因为我知道一个小儿能带来多少忧虑. 这里也有东西方价值观的影响, 如果嫌儿女毁了自己的人生, 西方母亲选择弑亲自救, 而东方的就一舍了之, 不会把亲子当作冤家.
- Re: Andrea Yates released from jail (zt cnn.com)posted on 02/04/2006
No, he divorced her some years after she was sentenced. I don't have problem with that.
八十一子 wrote:
She gave him five children and he divorced her while she had just given birth to the last one? - Re: Andrea Yates released from jail (zt cnn.com)posted on 02/04/2006
She attempted suicide twice before killing her children. Anyway it was not a conscious decision.
WOA wrote:
这里也有东西方价值观的影响, 如果嫌儿女毁了自己的人生, 西方母亲选择>弑亲自救, 而东方的就一舍了之, 不会把亲子当作冤家.
- posted on 02/04/2006
Don't have enough energy to write more on this case (it is Friday finally), just have to summerize my thoughts here:
We see more and more cases of mothers with severe depression killing their children. I am wondering about the social factors contributed to the postpartum depression. One possibility is that people live a more alienated life than before. There is a saying that "it takes a village to raise a child", now women have less support system at home to share the burden and release the stress, the "village" no longer exist.
I am very interested in how a society values "conscience". I was irritated when the psychiatrist reported that Andera Yates showed signs of remorse over killing her children. What is the good coming out of it? There are cases in which redemption can provide a glimpse of hope in the future, then there are cases in which nothing is left to redempt. Retreating into a total self-denial is the mercy of nature: the brain shuts down to avoid the pain. What is the use of dragging her out of her illusion? I suspect that we as a society are paranoid on seeing people lack of remorse for some self-serving purpose: we are afraid that one day we could do the same.
I am always curious about crimes and punishments: how we define "cruel and unusal" in punishments, how we decide if a person has self-control over her actions. It is widely accepted that if one can't control her own action then she should not be punished by the consequence of it. Science has a lot to say in this area. As we understand how human's brain functions better, hopefully we can also understand --- and determine --- our own destiny a little more. - Re: Andrea Yates released from jail (zt cnn.com)posted on 02/04/2006
1、无论何种理由（如果不是神经病的话），都应该判以谋杀罪，否则不足以为后来者树立良好的判例。负担不是理由，生5个孩子是自己的主观选择。
2、就冷漠而变态的西方人际关系来讲，中国传统道德文化显示出其旺盛的生命力。 - posted on 02/04/2006
青冈, you don't get it. It has nothing to do with 为后来者树立良好的判例, or 西方人际关系, or 中国传统道德文化. It is about what impacts a woman's mental health and how the society understands or misunderstands it.
You must restrain yourself from jumping into the role of a judge too soon.
青冈 wrote:
1、无论何种理由（如果不是神经病的话），都应该判以谋杀罪，否则不足以为后来者树立良好的判例。负担不是理由，生5个孩子是自己的主观选择。
2、就冷漠而变态的西方人际关系来讲，中国传统道德文化显示出其旺盛的生命力。 - Re: Andrea Yates released from jail (zt cnn.com)posted on 02/04/2006
i do see what you mean.:)
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