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  銆愰亾寰风粡銆戦樋濮楃増锛屼笂绡� 11-20

  闃垮�� posted on 09/29/2006
  October 12, 2004
  
  老子道德經第十一章
  
  三十輻　共一轂
  當其無　有車之用
  埏埴以為器
  當其無　有器之用
  鑿戶牖以為室
  當其無　有室之用
  故有之以為利　無之以為用
  
  11.
  The spokes centers around the wheel's hub;
  It's the hole in the hub that makes a vehicle useful.
  
  The clays are shaped into a vessel;
  It's the space inside that makes the container useful.
  
  The doors and windows are cut to build a house;
  It's the openings that makes a room useful.
  
  Therefore, the body only serves as the evidence of existence;
  It's the empty nothingness that makes it useful.
  
  
  wheel 1: 1 hub, 2 spoke, 3 felly, 4 tire
  
  it's the openings that makes a "car" useful.
  

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  Re: 銆愰亾寰风粡銆戦樋濮楃増锛屼笂绡� 11-20
  #1 闃垮�� posted on 10/03/2006
  
  
  October 23, 2004
  
  老子道德經第十二章
  
  五色令人盲目
  五音令人耳聾
  五味令人口爽
  馳騁田獵令人心發狂
  難得之貨令人行妨
  
  是以聖人爲腹不為目
  故去彼取此
  
  12.
  Bright colors blind the eye.
  Pleasant music deafens the ear.
  Delicious food sickens the stomach.
  Adventurous hobbies shatter the mind.
  Rare curiosities destroy the moral.
  
  Abandon the attachment to pleasures.
  Live healthy and be free.
  
  ====
  喜欢这句：驰骋田猎令人心发狂。每次读都忍俊不禁。
  
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  Re: 銆愰亾寰风粡銆戦樋濮楃増锛屼笂绡� 11-20
  #2 闃垮�� posted on 10/05/2006
  
  
  July 16, 2004
  
  老子道德經第十三章
  
  寵辱若驚 貴大患若身
  何謂寵辱若驚
  寵為上 辱為下
  得之若驚　失之若驚 是謂寵辱若驚
  何謂貴大患若身
  吾所以有大患者 為吾有身
  及吾無身 吾有何患
  故貴以身為天下 若可寄天下
  愛以身為天下 若可托天下
  
  
  13.
  Lao Tsu says,
  "Good fortune or bad fortune,
  People are always scared;
  And so important is their bodies,
  They are always afraid."
  
  But what does he mean?
  
  Fortunes are man-made concepts,
  So of course they are scary, good or bad.
  Body is not the real Self,
  And therefore it can be worrisome.
  
  Thus, Lao Tsu says,
  Let the world be your body,
  Love people as you love yourself,
  And then you can rule the world.
  
  ====
  这个是我早期翻译的，不仅毫无诗意，更是不知所云。应该重写。
  
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  Re: 銆愰亾寰风粡銆戦樋濮楃増锛屼笂绡� 11-20
  #3 闃垮�� posted on 10/05/2006
  
  
  July 20, 2004
  
  老子道德經第十四章
  
  視之不見 名曰夷
  聽之不聞 名曰希
  搏之不得 名曰微
  此三者不可致詰 故混而為一
  
  其上不皦　其下不昧
  繩繩兮不可名 復歸於無物
  是謂 無狀之狀 無物之象 是謂恍惚
  
  迎之不見其首 隨之不見其後
  執古之道 以御今之有
  能知古始 是謂道紀
  
  
  14.
  (Of Time)
  
  Can't see it, can't hear it, can't hold it;
  Can't even describe it.
  Not bright, not dark,
  No form, no image.
  No nothing.
  A beginning? An end? No!
  Time, and its passing, is all we know of it.
  
  ====
  这几天在思考《主题与变奏》的问题，这篇看来是一首非常自由的变奏。
  
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  Re: 銆愰亾寰风粡銆戦樋濮楃増锛屼笂绡� 11-20
  #4 闃垮�� posted on 10/05/2006
  
  
  August 1, 2004
  
  老子道德經第十五章
  
  古之善為道者　微妙玄通　深不可識
  夫唯不可識　故強為之容
  豫兮若冬涉川　猶兮若畏四鄰
  儼兮其若客　渙兮若冰之將釋
  敦兮其若樸　曠兮其若谷
  渾兮其若濁
  孰能濁以靜之徐清
  孰能安以動之徐生
  保此道者　不欲盈
  夫唯不盈　故能蔽而新成
  
  
  15 (such a pretty verse)
  
  The wise one, elusive, mysterious, and profound.
  Am I even able to describe him to you?
  Cautious, as crossing a winter stream,
  Watchful, as aware of danger,
  Courteous, like a visiting guest,
  Unbound, like the melting ice,
  Genuine, like the uncarved wood,
  Broad, like the open valley,
  Dark, like the muddy water.
  
  He stills the water and let the mud settle.
  He stirs the nature and let lives awake.
  He desires not his own fulfillment,
  and he is constantly reborn, renewed, relived.
  
  ====
  这篇真美。。。。
  
  好，三篇。功课交好了。
  
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  Re: 銆愰亾寰风粡銆戦樋濮楃増锛屼笂绡� 11-20
  #5 Aluo posted on 10/05/2006
  
  
  
  
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  Re: 銆愰亾寰风粡銆戦樋濮楃増锛屼笂绡� 11-20
  #6 鍏�鍗佷竴瀛� posted on 10/05/2006
  
  
  这个好像有问题。他老兄有口腹之欲，‘去彼取此’说得很明白。
  
  

  阿姗 wrote:
  October 23, 2004
  老子道德經第十二章
  五色令人盲目
  五音令人耳聾
  五味令人口爽
  馳騁田獵令人心發狂
  難得之貨令人行妨
  是以聖人爲腹不為目
  故去彼取此
  12.
  Bright colors blind the eye.
  Pleasant music deafens the ear.
  Delicious food sickens the stomach.
  Adventurous hobbies shatter the mind.
  Rare curiosities destroy the moral.
  Abandon the attachment to pleasures.
  Live healthy and be free.
  ====
  喜欢这句：驰骋田猎令人心发狂。每次读都忍俊不禁。
  
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  Re: 銆愰亾寰风粡銆戦樋濮楃増锛屼笂绡� 11-20
  #7 闃垮�� posted on 09/08/2007
  
  
  October 01, 2004
  
  老子道德經第十六章
  
  致虛極　守靜篤
  萬物並作　吾以觀復
  
  夫物芸芸　各復歸其根
  歸根曰靜　靜曰復命
  復命曰常　知常曰明
  
  不知常　妄作凶
  知常容　容乃公
  公乃全　全乃天　天乃道　道乃久
  沒身不殆
  
  16.
  In the highest state of void,
  I am still like the mountain.
  That everything grows and flourishes,
  I silently watch their cycles.
  
  Oh, there are so many things in the universe,
  They come and go and eventually return to what they are.
  To return to self is to reach void,
  or fate, or eternity, or infinite, or absolute, or nature.
  Knowing nature is true wisdom.
  
  He who knows the ultimate nature of the world
  is accepting, is just, is preserved, is natural,
  and he lives on with nature, in all eternity.
  
  
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  Re: 銆愰亾寰风粡銆戦樋濮楃増锛屼笂绡� 11-20
  #8 greentea posted on 09/09/2007
  
  
  阿珊配的画也很可爱。：）
  
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  Re: 銆愰亾寰风粡銆戦樋濮楃増锛屼笂绡� 11-20
  #9 81zi posted on 09/09/2007
  
  
  Bravo!
  
  

  致虛極　守靜篤
  

  I might have said something like:
  
  Sitting in the deepest void, I am still and quiet.
  
  

  不知常　妄作凶
  

  
  Where is your interpretation of this statement?
  
  
  

  阿姗 wrote:
  October 01, 2004
  老子道德經第十六章
  致虛極　守靜篤
  萬物並作　吾以觀復
  夫物芸芸　各復歸其根
  歸根曰靜　靜曰復命
  復命曰常　知常曰明
  不知常　妄作凶
  知常容　容乃公
  公乃全　全乃天　天乃道　道乃久
  沒身不殆
  16.
  In the highest state of void,
  I am still like the mountain.
  That everything grows and flourishes,
  I silently watch their cycles.
  Oh, there are so many things in the universe,
  They come and go and eventually return to what they are.
  To return to self is to reach void,
  or fate, or eternity, or infinite, or absolute, or nature.
  Knowing nature is true wisdom.
  He who knows the ultimate nature of the world
  is accepting, is just, is preserved, is natural,
  and he lives on with nature, in all eternity.
  
  
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  Re: 銆愰亾寰风粡銆戦樋濮楃増锛屼笂绡� 11-20
  #10 闃垮�� posted on 09/13/2007
  
  
  81zi wrote:
  

  致虛極　守靜篤
  

  I might have said something like:
  Sitting in the deepest void, I am still and quiet.
  

  
  Yes, yours is better.
  
  
  

  不知常　妄作凶
  

  Where is your interpretation of this statement?
  

  
  我把这句跟后面那几句并在一起了，因为意思都差不多。“不知常　妄作凶”＝知常，不妄作凶＝懂得永恒之道，不会妄动为祸害＝不会遭凶＝沒身不殆。
  
  容＝包容＝accepting
  公＝无私＝just
  全＝保全＝preserved
  天＝自然＝natural
  道＝合于大道＝with nature
  久＝永恒＝eternity
  沒身不殆＝终身无危=lives on
  
  

  不知常　妄作凶
  知常容　容乃公
  公乃全　全乃天　天乃道　道乃久
  沒身不殆
  

  
  

  He who knows the ultimate nature of the world
  is accepting, is just, is preserved, is natural,
  and he lives on with nature, in all eternity.
  
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  Re: 銆愰亾寰风粡銆戦樋濮楃増锛屼笂绡� 11-20
  #11 闃垮�� posted on 09/13/2007
  
  
  October 25, 2004
  
  老子道德經第十七章
  
  太上　不知有之
  其次　親而譽之
  其次　畏之
  其次　侮之
  信不足焉　有不信焉 　
  悠兮其貴言　功成事遂
  百姓皆謂　「我自然」
  
  17.
  Of anything, that includes anyone, any idea, any place, any thing,
  The best can be merely sensed;
  The good are admired and wanted;
  The bad are feared and avoided.
  The worst are simply despised.
  
  The natural deeds are done without suspicion,
  Without effort,
  Without words.
  
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  Re: 銆愰亾寰风粡銆戦樋濮楃増锛屼笂绡� 11-20
  #12 鍏�鍗佷竴瀛� posted on 09/13/2007
  
  
  Not so sure about this one...
  
  
  

  阿姗 wrote:
  October 25, 2004
  老子道德經第十七章
  太上　不知有之
  其次　親而譽之
  其次　畏之
  其次　侮之
  信不足焉　有不信焉 　
  悠兮其貴言　功成事遂
  百姓皆謂　「我自然」
  17.
  Of anything, that includes anyone, any idea, any place, any thing,
  The best can be merely sensed;
  The good are admired and wanted;
  The bad are feared and avoided.
  The worst are simply despised.
  The natural deeds are done without suspicion,
  Without effort,
  Without words.
  
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  Re: 銆愰亾寰风粡銆戦樋濮楃増锛屼笂绡� 11-20
  #13 闃垮�� posted on 12/05/2007
  
  
  October 31, 2004
  
  老子道德經第十八章
  
  大道廢　有仁義
  智慧出　有大偽
  六親不和　有孝慈
  國家昏亂　有忠臣
  
  18.
  When I lost touch with my self,
  I come up with reasons for my being.
  When I realize how smart I am,
  I fool myself with my intelligence.
  When I don't feel love for others,
  I know how to be polite and courteous.
  When my life is in confusion and chaos,
  Any step I take is a step forward.
  
  ＝＝＝
  跟八十一子和BILL一起凑个热闹，我这里也重操旧业。
  
  上次被81zi批评了，不知怎么回答。先搁着吧。
  
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  Re: 銆愰亾寰风粡銆戦樋濮楃増锛屼笂绡� 11-20
  #14 娴�鐢� posted on 12/05/2007
  
  
  十八针对仁义礼的，从字面译是不是就可以？阿姗internalize了。
  
  很喜欢十二和十五，不过十二最后两句是值得商榷。
  
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  #15 闃垮�� posted on 12/10/2007
  
  
  浮生 wrote:
  十八针对仁义礼的，从字面译是不是就可以？阿姗internalize了。
  很喜欢十二和十五，不过十二最后两句是值得商榷。
  

  
  电视上正在播道德经的传道节目。想起我这里还没写完。听从浮生的，修改一下 18 章。我写的不是翻译，而是自老子的诗文出发，写自己对生活的认知。这一章原文很直接易懂，我写的离原文比较远了。我现在离道也远，写的东西没有什么光华。
  
  18.
  When people loses touch with human nature,
  they come up with theory of doing good;
  When people take pride in how smart they are,
  they cheat each other with their intelligence.
  When people don't feel love for others,
  they teach themselves to be polite and courteous.
  When the society is in confusion and chaos,
  leaders come forward to save the world.
  
  
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  Re: 銆愰亾寰风粡銆戦樋濮楃増锛屼笂绡� 11-20
  #16 闃垮�� posted on 12/10/2007
  
  
  July 28, 2004
  
  老子道德經第十九章
  
  絕聖棄智 民利百倍
  絕仁棄義 民復孝慈
  絕巧棄利 盜贌o有
  此三者以為文 不足
  故令有所屬： 見素抱樸 少私寡欲
  
  19.
  Renounce wisdom, and people will benefit greatly.
  Discard morality, and people will rediscover love.
  Abandon ingenuity and profit, and crimes will disappear.
  These three adornments are what Confucius teaches.
  Not worthy.
  
  Lao Tsu says,
  Let people find their own paths:
  Simplicity in action, purity in heart,
  Moderation in self-interest and desire.
  

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