听说前两天希拉里放话,说她一定要坚持到最后一刻.在最后一刻到来之前,什么都有可能发生,比如奥巴马可能被人行刺? 这美国政客够疯狂, 这种话也敢公开说.
不过这话确实有道理.天道酬勤. American believe hardworking. 只要等下去,就会有希望. 所以我认为她应该去争副总统提名.如果选上,还至少有4年希望?? :)
- Re: 奥巴马赢了提名没有?posted on 06/04/2008
赢了。正在等刺客呢。 - posted on 06/04/2008
What does Clinton want? Respect and more
Perhaps a vice presidency, or a prime-time convention speech
WASHINGTON - "What does Hillary want?" the vanquished Democrat asked.
The vice presidency.
"What does she want?" Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton repeated.
A prime-time speaking role at the Democratic National Convention.
"I want to hear from you," she told cheering supporters on the night her campaign ended. "Go to hillaryclinton.com ... ."
What does Clinton want? The former first lady wants campaign donations to cover her debt. And she will press her case for relevancy at the risk of widening the divide between Barack Obama's supporters and her older, whiter, working-class coalition.
"This has been a long campaign, and I will be making no decisions tonight," Clinton said, begging patience of a party desperate to unite. "In the coming days, I'll be consulting with supporters and party leaders to determine how to move forward with the best interests of our party and our country guiding my way."
What Clinton told supporters she wanted was an end to the war in Iraq, universal health care and a stronger economy. That certainly is true, but she's also looking out for her own interests. Clinton did not bow out Tuesday because she wants to retain her political leverage, advisers said privately, eyeing a spot on the ticket, a convention role and perhaps other benefits.
The New York senator told congressional colleagues Tuesday afternoon that she would be open to a vice presidential bid, a significant comedown for the former first lady who entered the race 17 months ago as the clear front-runner.
"I'm in it," she said Jan. 20, 2007, "to win it."
But she lost it.
Couldn't match Obama's timing
Running as the establishment candidate against the headwinds of change, a hawk in a party of doves, a Clinton for better and worse, she couldn't match Obama's timing. His celebrity was too big, his political savvy too much and Internet-driven ground game too powerful for the candidacy of the '90s.
"I am committed to uniting our party," she said Tuesday night, "so we move forward stronger and more ready than ever to take back the White House this November."
Nice words, but Clinton didn't say how or when. She did pledge to fight for universal health care with "no exceptions and no excuses," a not-so-subtle dig at Obama's less ambitious health care plan.
In a way, you can't blame her for being reluctant to let go. Clinton lost, but not by much, and she built a fervent following — particularly older women who saw themselves in every sexist slight and insult cast her way.
- Re: 奥巴马赢了提名没有?posted on 06/04/2008
I saw a film "What Women Want". Apparently what Hilary wants is different from it.
Today I saw the news that Obama pledged full support for Israel - really impressed by the fine timing of this declaration. Unless something really unexpected happening to him, this guy will sweep McCain in a landslide victory.
- posted on 06/04/2008
这是不是说,明年初奥巴马上任,第一把火就打伊朗呢?
令胡冲 wrote:
I saw a film "What Women Want". Apparently what Hilary wants is different from it.
Today I saw the news that Obama pledged full support for Israel - really impressed by the fine timing of this declaration. Unless something really unexpected happening to him, this guy will sweep McCain in a landslide victory.
那条线说瓦格纳反犹,以色列果然是颗不定时炸弹。
- posted on 06/05/2008
Clinton to suspend her campaign on Saturday
The former first lady will also reportedly endorse rival Barack Obama
WASHINGTON - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton will suspend her campaign and endorse Sen. Barack Obama on Saturday, NBC News confirmed, bringing an end to a ground-breaking presidential race.
Hours after Barack Obama sealed the nomination on Tuesday, Democrats coalesced around his candidacy, sending a strong signal to Clinton that it was time to bow out. The former first lady told House Democrats during a private conference call Wednesday that she will express support for Obama's candidacy and congratulate him for gathering the necessary delegates to be the party's nominee.
"Senator Clinton will be hosting an event in Washington, D.C., to thank her supporters and express her support for Senator Obama and party unity. This event will be held on Saturday to accommodate more of Senator Clinton's supporters who want to attend," said her communications director, Howard Wolfson.
Aides told NBC News that there would be a private staff event Friday in Washington, followed by the public event on Saturday. They said that she would not waive her right to have her name placed in nomination and that she had not negotiated for anything from Obama, such as debt relief for her campaign.
She was also leaving her options open to retain her delegates and promote issues important to her, including a signature call for universal health care.
One adviser told the New York Times that Clinton would concede defeat, congratulate Obama and proclaim him the party’s nominee, while pledging to do what was needed to assure his victory.
Also in the speech, Clinton will urge once-warring Democrats to focus on the general election and defeating Republican presidential candidate John McCain.
Options for ending it
She will be bringing to a close an epic five-month nominating battle pitting the first serious female candidate against the most viable black contender ever.
A senior Clinton adviser said the candidate and her lieutenants had discussed various ways a presidential candidacy can end, including suspending the campaign to retain control of her convention delegates and sustain her visibility in an effort to promote her signature issue of health care. This adviser spoke on condition of anonymity because officials were not authorized to discuss the conference call Clinton held with her congressional supporters.
The other options include freeing her delegates to back Obama and ending her candidacy unconditionally. The official stressed that neither Clinton nor her inner circle had decided specifically what course to take other than to recognize that the active state of her bid to become the nation's first female president had ended.
On the telephone call with impatient congressional supporters, Clinton was urged to draw a close to the contentious campaign, or at least express support for Obama. Her decision to acquiesce caught many in the campaign by surprise and left the campaign scrambling to finalize the logistics and specifics behind her campaign departure.
“We pledged to support her to the end,” Rep. Charles Rangel, a New York Democrat who has been a patron of Clinton's told The New York Times. “Our problem is not being able to determine when the hell the end is.”
Sure thing comes unraveled
It was an inauspicious end for a candidacy that appeared indestructible when it began 17 months ago.
Clinton was armed with celebrity, a prodigious fundraising Rolodex, a battle-tested campaign team and a popular two-term former president as a husband, and many observers believed her victory in the Democratic nomination contest was a sure thing.
But in Obama, the New York senator faced an opponent who appeared perfectly suited to the time — a charismatic newcomer who opposed the Iraq war from the beginning who offered voters a compelling message of change. Clinton voted for the legislation that authorized military force against Iraq.
After a disastrous showing in the leadoff Iowa caucuses Jan. 3, Clinton won New Hampshire's primary Jan. 8, setting off the state-by-state war of attrition with Obama that followed.
Her fortunes rose and fell like a fever chart: She was up in Nevada, down in South Carolina. Then, after a roughly even finish on Super Tuesday, she suffered a string of unanswered losses that, almost before Clinton noticed, put Obama so far ahead in the delegate hunt that all the big-state victories she piled up couldn't close the delegate gap.
By March, her options limited, Clinton adopted the persona of a fighter for the middle class, and powered through in states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana, West Virginia and Kentucky, showing grit that earned her valuable political currency.
White men, blue-collar workers, socially conservative Democrats — however you slice the electorate, she brought many of those people to her side while exposing Obama's vulnerabilities among those groups.
Voters, whose No. 1 concern had been ending the Iraq war at the campaign's outset, started worrying more about the economy. That was a switch from Obama's strength to hers.
An Obama-Clinton ticket?
Meanwhile, questions swirled around the possibility of an Obama-Clinton ticket.
The Illinois senator on Wednesday disclosed he had spoken with Clinton earlier Wednesday.
“I just spoke to her today, and we’re going to be having a conversation in coming weeks. And I’m very confident how unified the Democratic party’s going to be to win in November,” Obama told reporters as he left the Senate.
But the Wall Street Journal reported that Obama advisers had signaled an Obama-Clinton ticket was unlikely. The Journal reported that people in both camps said there was a stumbling block — that Bill Clinton might balk at releasing records of his business dealings and big donors to his presidential library.
- posted on 06/05/2008
英国Times报确实有几个不错的政治评论员. 我们再一次为苦瓜的政治预见而鼓掌. :)
World problems for the White House
From Iran to the credit crunch, it matters to the world who will win the race in November
Anatole Kaletsky
A wise continental scholar pointed out to me once that English is the only European language in which three distinct words have evolved from the Greek root politika: politics, policy and polity. French, German, Italian, Spanish and Russian all make do with a single word - politique, politik or politica - to describe the personal rivalries that drive the political process, the effects of political action, and the institutional framework within which politics operates. In English, by contrast, we have a vocabulary that encourages people to distinguish between the ideals and action plans represented by competing parties and the skulduggeries and rivalries of individual politicians. In fact, we are lucky enough in English to have even a fourth word for this: politicking.
I don't know whether this linguistic abundance has been a cause or a consequence of the relative stability of democratic institutions in the Anglo-Saxon world. But I do know that the focus of America's presidential election, which has so far been entirely on politicking and politics, will now shift towards policy and polity.
The ideological differences in this election are quite stark. Just because both parties have managed to select nominees who are intelligent, high-principled and well meaning, it does not follow that a victory for either candidate will be an equally benign outcome for the world and America.
There are at least four policy battles in this election where the rest of the world will have an enormous stake. First and foremost there is national security and the Middle East, specifically the attitude to bombing Iran; secondly, the credit crunch and housing crisis; thirdly, the oil shock, energy independence and climate change; and fourthly, America's role in globalisation and free trade.
In the short term, Mr McCain's position is likely to prove politically unsustainable and economically misjudged. If housing markets continue to deteriorate, as they almost surely will, more short-term government intervention will be required. This should not be ruled out by a dogmatic faith in market forces that have, in this case, quite obviously failed.
Taking a longer view, however, many voters may be impressed by Mr McCain's fiscal rectitude and will want a free-spending Democratic Congress constrained by a Republican president. If Mr Obama has any sense, he will be very careful not to overdo his rhetoric about recession and the government spending needed to clear up the mess left behind by President Bush.
Trade poses a similar challenge to Mr Obama. The protectionist anti-globalisation rhetoric that he needed for the Democratic nomination may well help to win support in the short term, but it raises some big risks. What the Democratic establishment does not yet seem to have understood is that, as a result of the housing slump and devaluation of the dollar, US growth is now almost entirely export-driven and will continue that way for years to come.
Free trade is now more in the interests of American workers than ever before. Protectionist policies will not just frighten economically sophisticated voters. They will also act against the interests of blue-collar Americans - a point that may not be lost even on the unionised workers at internationally competitive companies such as Caterpillar, Boeing and even, these days, General Motors and US Steel.
On energy and climate change, Mr Obama and Mr McCain do share common objectives, but their contrasting views about government activism and taxes suggest that even in this area, America's future policies will depend critically on who wins the election on November 4.
The biggest issue between the candidates, however, is foreign policy and here the contrast between the candidates is truly stark. So far, most attention has focused on the contrast between their rhetoric about Iraq: at one extreme, Mr McCain's slightly misreported comments about keeping American troops there for 100 years; at the other Mr Obama's hints at unconditional withdrawal within six months. In reality, both candidates would be seriously constrained by events on the ground. The much more serious difference is actually over Iran.
Mr Obama's approach is to try to draw Iran into the community of nations, even if it remains under its present extremist leadership. To try to bring this about, he has expressed his willingness to consider direct negotiations, along the lines of Henry Kissinger's rapprochement with China.
Mr McCain, by contrast, outspokenly supports the Bush Administration's policy of ostracising Iran. He wants, if anything, to tighten both economic sanctions and reinforce the country's pariah status. Mr McCain has endorsed President Bush's accusation that talking to America's enemies is comparable to the prewar policy of appeasing Hitler. More specifically, Mr McCain has pointedly refused to dissociate himself from threats to bomb Iran if it continues with its nuclear programmes and seems as gung-ho about the persuasive power of US military action as President Bush.
Such is the passion of Mr McCain's anti-Iran rhetoric that some informed observers in Washington believe a bombing campaign against Iran could be the “October surprise” that Republican strategists are planning to swing the election in their favour if polling points to a Democrat victory. The idea would be to present the war hero McCain as the best man to lead America at a time of military danger.
Mr Obama, if he was reluctant in his support of a pre-election bombing, could be presented as a muddle-headed peacenik. And what if he denounced military action? Mr Obama could then stand accused of insufficient patriotism or even outright treason. His campaign would then come crashing down to a McGovern-style landslide defeat.
That is the nightmare scenario for what should be a dream election. But maybe my friends in America who speculate along these lines are taking their cynicism too far. Even in the language of Washington there is, after all, a difference between politics, policy and polity. Let us hope that John McCain's self-evident respect for the American polity transcends the Republican Party's desire to win the game of politics at any cost.
- Re: 奥巴马赢了提名没有?posted on 06/05/2008
President 奥巴马 in November. - Re: 奥巴马赢了提名没有?posted on 06/05/2008
Haha wrote:
President 奥巴马 in November.
Unless US sparks the war with Iran in October. :) - Re: 奥巴马赢了提名没有?posted on 06/05/2008
landslid victory? are you kidding or wishful thinking? Unless he teams up with Hilary, there is still quite a bit of uncertainity, if he is going to make it at all.
Many Hillary's funs will turn to the old man, and you can't expect some people vote for African American no matter what, like those West Virginians - posted on 06/05/2008
希拉里将退选支持奥巴马,卡特强烈反对“奥希配”
撰文:林絮枫
美国媒体报道,民主党总统参选人希拉里将于周六(7日)宣布,放弃争取总统提名的竞选活动,并支持对手奥巴马出战11月总统选举。相信在胜负已分的现阶段,外界真正关注的,并非希拉里是否承认落败,而是她会否成为奥巴马的副手。不过,美国民主党内重要人物、前总统卡特表示,强调反对两人搭配参选。
其实,现时希拉里不论在党内初选中所得的党代表票,或是取得超级党代表的支持人数上都不及奥巴马,她的退选宣言只是一个正式交代而已。
在胜负已分的情况下,外界关注的是希拉里会否被选为奥巴马的搭档,成为副总统候选人。两人近日互相赞扬的举动,更令外界对民主党以“奥希配”迎战共和党代表麦凯恩存有更多想象空间。
奥巴马此前曾暗示如果他入主白宫,其政府内将有希拉里一席之地﹔希拉里也说,对是否出任奥巴马副手持开放态度。
不过,民主党内重要人物卡特已先站出来表示反对“奥希配”,他在接受英国《卫报》访问时指,奥巴马选择希拉里担任竞选搭档,将犯下“最严重的错误”。卡特反对的理由是,两人合作只会将两者最差的部份综合起来。他指,如果希拉里在这场马拉松总统提名初选中获胜,他也会反对奥巴马成为副总统提名人。
另一个党内重要人物爱德华·肯尼迪5月中亦表明反对由希拉里出任副总统候选人。他接受彭博电视台访问时指,“奥希配”是不可能的。他认为,副总统的工作需要“真正的领导力”。他又指,希望奥巴马能挑选一位符合他为美国人民服务,这个高尚愿望和吁求的竞选搭档。
现年76岁的爱德华·肯尼迪在民主党内影响力巨大,是美国政坛显赫家族——肯尼迪家族的现任掌门人,他的兄长是于1963年在任内遇刺身亡的前总统约翰·肯尼迪。
爱德华·肯尼迪本人更是美国国会参议院中当选时间第二长的资深成员,他自1962年首次当选马塞诸塞州参议员,顶替当时被选为总统的长兄,迄今为止他已经7次胜选。
爱德华·肯尼迪今年6月2日刚接受切除脑内恶性肿瘤手术,仍需要进行化疗。不过,他已扬言会尽快恢复工作,并为奥巴马助选。
刚在6月3日宣布自己赢得民主党总统提名的奥巴马,已经成立一个三人小组,委托他们为他挑选副总统人选。
奥巴马副总统人选甄选小组的三名成员分别是美国前总统约翰·肯尼迪的女儿凯洛琳·肯尼迪、前美国副总检察长霍德尔和4年前曾参与当时的民主党总统候选人克里副总统人选甄选的吉姆·约翰逊。
- Re: 奥巴马赢了提名没有?posted on 06/05/2008
If president die in presidency, VP is automatically becoming president.
If HC is VP, she will make it happen. - Re: 奥巴马赢了提名没有?posted on 06/05/2008
Yes, yes, this is why she can't be a VP. A monster :-)
行人 wrote:
If president die in presidency, VP is automatically becoming president.
If HC is VP, she will make it happen. - Re: 奥巴马赢了提名没有?posted on 06/05/2008
come on! you guys demonized her! if she will, she would have done it to Bill already:), the only thing she did was to throw vase at him - posted on 06/05/2008
July wrote:
现年76岁的爱德华·肯尼迪在民主党内影响力巨大,是美国政坛显赫家族——肯尼迪家族的现任掌门人,他的兄长是于1963年在任内遇刺身亡的前总统约翰·肯尼迪。
爱德华·肯尼迪本人更是美国国会参议院中当选时间第二长的资深成员,他自1962年首次当选马塞诸塞州参议员,顶替当时被选为总统的长兄,迄今为止他已经7次胜选。
爱德华·肯尼迪今年6月2日刚接受切除脑内恶性肿瘤手术,仍需要进行化疗。不过,他已扬言会尽快恢复工作,并为奥巴马助选。
Can someone tell me EXACTLY what JFK and his brother 爱德华·肯尼迪 have done for USA? What are their major contributions to this nation? What really makes you think JFK is better than any other U. S. president? - Re: 奥巴马赢了提名没有?posted on 06/05/2008
哎,能不能不villainfy克灵顿呢?Ask yourself honestly, if she were not a woman, would you still see her in the same light?
Ohenry wrote:
What really makes you think JFK is better than any other U. S. president?
JFK比其他总统年轻漂亮(我没觉着啊)富有,又娶了漂亮的老婆,可惜英年早逝,that's why. 论政绩也就是古巴危机吧,不过哪个总统任上没个危机啥的呢,所以还是前者。要说他当选总统有啥意义,大概就是他是Catholic了吧。 - posted on 06/05/2008
Since you've asked such questions to doubt the Kennedys power, I have to ask you:
What has Hilary Clinton done for the country that makes her qualified or deserving the power and normination? What Had George W. Bush done to make him qualified or deserving the presidency in 2000?
If you don't understand the American politics and power structure, you cannot answer those questions.
That's what fundamentally made HC lose in this compaign. She and her husband tried to use their establishment and entitlement to grab the power, but the majority voters are no longer fooled easily by her images. This country needs change, and she does not represent change. She is part of the old power grabing establishment. That's not going to fly in the current timing.
By the way, If Bill Clinton had died, Al Gore would have been the president since he was the VP. If Obama team made a mistake of inviting her to be the VP candidate and they won, she'd make sure Obama die fast so she could be the president.
AS we know, that's not going to fly either. The Obama team have succeeded in this compaign, they'll ensure this does not happen.
Ohenry wrote:
Can someone tell me EXACTLY what JFK and his brother 爱德华·肯尼迪 have done for USA? What are their major contributions to this nation? What really makes you think JFK is better than any other U. S. president? - posted on 06/05/2008
By the way, If Bill Clinton had died, Al Gore would have been the president since he was the VP. If Obama team made a mistake of inviting her to be the VP candidate and they won, she'd make sure Obama die fast so she could be the president.
AS we know, that's not going to fly either. The Obama team have succeeded in this compaign, they'll ensure this does not happen.
feiming wrote:
come on! you guys demonized her! if she will, she would have done it to Bill already:), the only thing she did was to throw vase at him - posted on 06/05/2008
In fact, she made me feel shame as the first woman candidate, if she were a man, she would drop out race long ago without any sympathy. The big reason she could stay until the end, because she is a woman, in her case, she took advantage being a woman, her back is white older women, she told them she fight for them and they support her.
浮生 wrote:
哎,能不能不villainfy克灵顿呢?Ask yourself honestly, if she were not a woman, would you still see her in the same light?
- posted on 06/05/2008
Portland Oregon wrote:
This country needs change, and she does not represent change. She is part of the old power grabing establishment. That's not going to fly in the current timing.
"This country needs change" - can you tell me exactly which U. S. president in the history did not ask for (or call for) some sort of change? Eight years ago even George W. Bush recommended some changes to the system. Of course, he made some changes already.
"She is part of the old power grabing establishment" - Where is the new power? What's the difference between so called "old power" and any "new power"? I thought that 奥巴马 is still working under an "old power" system. In the history of U. S., has there ever been any "new power"?
One thing I want to mention is that I am not voting for anyone from the Dem no matter who gets the nom. I am voting for Republican this year. They treat me better than the Dem. - posted on 06/05/2008
July wrote:
In fact, she made me feel shame as the first woman candidate, if she were a man, she would drop out race long ago without any sympathy. The big reason she could stay until the end, because she is a woman, in her case, she took advantage being a woman, her back is white older women, she told them she fight for them and they support her.
Doesn't every politician take advantage being or not being something? Doesn't every politician tell us he/she fights for *us*, in other words, take us for a ride? What makes H.C. different from any other policitican? If we vote out of sympathy, shame on us, not on her. - posted on 06/05/2008
I don't think we should overlook how Kenndy family contributed to the civil rights movement. In addtion to the charm , the wealth and the myth, the two brothers died for a good cause and avoided potential worse diaster--there were signs of all out violence like black panther party and riots in different cities; also, I think the stepping stone of Obama's rise today is laid down in the Kenndy and MLK era, without them, the African American would have to wait much longer to see a black president . I also believe that when a nation faces crisis and is deeply frustrated by the war now and then, it needs a spiritual leader rather than a good manager,he/she should be articulated enough to convince people to unite and to see a better future. That is why I would vote Obama too, but I think without the help of Clinton and their followers, Obama still has the risk to lose the election to the Republicans. That is why I think Obama should team up with Hillary to secure the final victory that will bring about changes that majority of American wish for.
I also don't think we should idealize Obama at this point just become we love to have a change so much, he might be successful in dealing with Iraq war because of a quick withdraw, America might become less of a target of terroists because of his soft foregin policy, but I am not sure how his domestic policy will work out.
Sometime, a stateman's contribution is not highlighed by what he has done, instead, what he hasn't done might be a blessing to the country. Kenndy avoided the Pigbay clash and the war against Cuban and Russian, Trueman refused to invade China and removed MacArthur, it was an unpopular decision then, but history proved he was dead right.Bill Clinton didn't seem to do much other than fooling around with some girls, but Hi, look the 8 golden years in the US history- plus we had good shows going on all the time, Jennifer Flower, Paula Jones and so on.... - posted on 06/05/2008
Yes, political campaign is not that different from business marketing. Every candicate has a specific market segment that he/she targets for. It does not make too much a difference between selling the image of person with ideal or the first woman candidate.
浮生 wrote:
July wrote:Doesn't every politician take advantage being or not being something? Doesn't every politician tell us he/she fights for *us*, in other words, take us for a ride? What makes H.C. different from any other policitican? If we vote out of sympathy, shame on us, not on her.
In fact, she made me feel shame as the first woman candidate, if she were a man, she would drop out race long ago without any sympathy. The big reason she could stay until the end, because she is a woman, in her case, she took advantage being a woman, her back is white older women, she told them she fight for them and they support her. - posted on 06/05/2008
That is true. I just try to answer FuSheng's question that if Hillary were a man. My point is she uses her most advantage in this race, I just don't see any sexism against her.
She didn't win, not because she is a woman, she is not a smart politician, that is all.
yc wrote:
Yes, political campaign is not that different from business marketing. Every candicate has a specific market segment that he/she targets for. It does not make too much a difference between selling the image of person with ideal or the first woman candidate.
浮生 wrote:
July wrote:Doesn't every politician take advantage being or not being something? Doesn't every politician tell us he/she fights for *us*, in other words, take us for a ride? What makes H.C. different from any other policitican? If we vote out of sympathy, shame on us, not on her.
In fact, she made me feel shame as the first woman candidate, if she were a man, she would drop out race long ago without any sympathy. The big reason she could stay until the end, because she is a woman, in her case, she took advantage being a woman, her back is white older women, she told them she fight for them and they support her.
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