奥运会开幕式上那首歌唱祖国并不是由电视上所有观众都看到的那个小女孩儿唱的,而是由另外一个小女孩儿在幕后演唱的。过去几天里,这件事情在国际媒体引起不少议论。
另外,世界各地的电视观众以为他们看到的是开幕式现场的烟火,北京奥组委官员也承认,其中一部分是事先录好的。
从昨天开始,国际媒体的目光再次投向了另外一个不诚实的情况,那就是,开幕式上出现的穿着色彩斑斓的民族服装、代表中国56个民族守护著五星红旗走过会场的孩子们,其实都是汉族的儿童演员,并不是真正的少数民族儿童。华尔街日报星期四报导说,这些儿童演员是北京银河少儿艺术团的成员,这个少儿艺术团基本上都是汉族。
对由中国官方主导的日益暴光的各种“艺术”手法,美国一些媒体不无讽刺地评论说,“中国人真是聪明过分了!”
*艺术表演 无可非议*
不过,北京一位倾向于支持中国政府观点的分析人士说,从奥运开幕式是一场艺术表演的角度来看,这一切并没有什么可非议的。北京大军经济分析研究所的仲大军说:
“这个东西,艺术就是弄虚作假,说实话的,是吧?就是说有些孩子用的是汉族的小孩来表现56个民族,这个没什么不可以的。因为它是演出嘛!什么叫演员?演员他就是要表演,装成某一个人嘛,是不是啊?”
*媒体指南:来自56个民族*
路透社等国际媒体报道说,开幕式的媒体指南上面,清楚地写著,来自中国56个民族的56个孩子,代表56个民族,围绕在国旗周围。说的和实际做的不是一回事儿,这让外界感到不对劲儿。
*自找麻烦 “完美”陷阱*
在中国国内,也不乏对政府主导的奥运表现形式和内容的质疑。北京的陈子明星期五对美国之音表示,政府主导的一些做法,实际上是给自己找麻烦。他说,北京奥运的一个主题就是要一切应该回归自然,但是它的实际行动却出尔反尔。陈子明说:
“‘自然’就是是怎么样就怎么样,你搞那些不自然的东西,实际上是追求一种虚假的伟大,实际上自然的才是伟大的、才是崇高的。你搞些不自然的,为了什么什么利益,涂脂抹粉,这个实际上最终是很难看的。”
陈子明继续分析说,“实际上中共这么多年来最大的一个问题,就是把所谓的利益放在第一位,把正义、公正放在可有可无的位置,它的很多错误都是从这儿来的。这一事件表明,他们还没有从根子上认识到过去的错误。”
陈子明说,政府主导的这种违背自然、公正的心态,对中国未来总体上的发展,是一个巨大的隐患。
他说,“你要是没有平常心,按照自然的规律、自然的状态来发展,而总是抱著一种什么事情都要最好,什么事情都要最卓越、最漂亮,这种心态是很害人的,现在要是不认识到,将来是要犯大错误的。”
- Re: 开幕式56民族少年都是汉族扮演posted on 08/16/2008
如果你买了李谷一的演唱票,最后发现你听到的是某单位工农兵宣传队一个女的唱的。李谷一就是动动嘴巴。 你怎么想? - Re: 开幕式56民族少年都是汉族扮演posted on 08/16/2008
所以凡是国内出产的东西,你最好不要买,真实在把憋得没办法,那也先提出个疑问再买,最后就权当是买了真货,心里买个踏实。
fanghuzhai wrote:
如果你买了李谷一的演唱票,最后发现你听到的是某单位工农兵宣传队一个女的唱的。李谷一就是动动嘴巴。 你怎么想? - Re: 开幕式56民族少年都是汉族扮演posted on 08/16/2008
Some people are just so dump that they cannot tell the difference between a show and the reality.
- Re: 开幕式56民族少年都是汉族扮演posted on 08/17/2008
作假说到底是为了国家形象,也就是说是给外国人看的,让外国人看了好看。可是,当你早晨上班的路上,看见芝加哥所有的大小报纸头版上全是两个女孩子的照片,你大概就会意识到这件事的严重性,你就会说,张导,行行好,别丢人现眼了。哪一天,我几乎想请假不上班了。 - Re: 开幕式56民族少年都是汉族扮演posted on 08/17/2008
So if you do something tricky, people will know. I do not need to dye my hair. But Someone has to do it. - posted on 08/17/2008
lib-synching happened as recently as 2006
[zt from cbc ]
Pavarotti lip-synced final Torino Olympics gig, book reveals
The last time the public saw opera star Luciano Pavarotti sing was actually an elaborately planned, lip-synced performance, a longtime colleague reveals in a new book.
Luciano Pavarotti pre-recorded his vocals and lip-synced his performance during the opening ceremony of the 2006 Torino Winter Olympics, says conductor Leone Magiera.
(Matt Dunham/Associated Press)
Leone Magiera, the Italian tenor's longtime conductor and pianist, makes the revelation in his warm, but still candid, new memoir Pavarotti Visto da Vicino (Pavarotti Seen from Up Close), released last week.
Pavarotti's delivery of his signature aria — Nessun Dorma from Puccini's Turandot — at the opening ceremony of the 2006 Torino Winter Olympics was faked, according to Magiera.
At the time, the world-renowned singer had been feeling ill, which left him unsure of his voice.
"Pavarotti's great career therefore ended with a virtual performance, something sad but inevitable," Magiera writes.
"It would have been too dangerous for him, because of his physical condition, to risk a live performance before a global audience."
Terri Robson, the opera star's former manager, confirmed on Monday that the Olympics performance — seen by millions around the world in February 2006 — was indeed lip-synched. However, Robson said that the decision was made because of the cold weather in Turin at the time.
Pavarotti was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer later that summer and died in September 2007 at age 71.
http://www.cbc.ca/arts/music/story/2008/04/07/pavarotti-olympics-lipsync.html - posted on 08/18/2008
帕瓦罗蒂没用多明戈的录音吧?
grow wrote:
lib-synching happened as recently as 2006
[zt from cbc ]
Pavarotti lip-synced final Torino Olympics gig, book reveals
The last time the public saw opera star Luciano Pavarotti sing was actually an elaborately planned, lip-synced performance, a longtime colleague reveals in a new book.
Luciano Pavarotti pre-recorded his vocals and lip-synced his performance during the opening ceremony of the 2006 Torino Winter Olympics, says conductor Leone Magiera.
(Matt Dunham/Associated Press)
Leone Magiera, the Italian tenor's longtime conductor and pianist, makes the revelation in his warm, but still candid, new memoir Pavarotti Visto da Vicino (Pavarotti Seen from Up Close), released last week.
Pavarotti's delivery of his signature aria — Nessun Dorma from Puccini's Turandot — at the opening ceremony of the 2006 Torino Winter Olympics was faked, according to Magiera.
At the time, the world-renowned singer had been feeling ill, which left him unsure of his voice.
"Pavarotti's great career therefore ended with a virtual performance, something sad but inevitable," Magiera writes.
"It would have been too dangerous for him, because of his physical condition, to risk a live performance before a global audience."
Terri Robson, the opera star's former manager, confirmed on Monday that the Olympics performance — seen by millions around the world in February 2006 — was indeed lip-synched. However, Robson said that the decision was made because of the cold weather in Turin at the time.
Pavarotti was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer later that summer and died in September 2007 at age 71.
http://www.cbc.ca/arts/music/story/2008/04/07/pavarotti-olympics-lipsync.html - Re: 开幕式56民族少年都是汉族扮演posted on 08/18/2008
is it illegal? broke the law?
<< 帕瓦罗蒂没用多明戈的录音吧?
- Re: 开幕式56民族少年都是汉族扮演posted on 08/18/2008
Ever heard of a thing called integrity? There are lots of things normal people won't do even though there are no laws against doing them. I'm sure you can think of a few yourself.
grow wrote:
is it illegal? broke the law?
<< 帕瓦罗蒂没用多明戈的录音吧?
- Re: 开幕式56民族少年都是汉族扮演posted on 08/18/2008
Lip-synching over his own voice is not the same as 演双簧。 - posted on 08/18/2008
touche wrote:
Ever heard of a thing called integrity? There are lots of things normal people won't do even though there are no laws against doing them. I'm sure you can think of a few yourself.
grow wrote:
is it illegal? broke the law?
<< 帕瓦罗蒂没用多明戈的录音吧?
Why not except in your self-appointed moral court? IOC has NO regulation or rule on show.
Who decides on what is integrity? You?
- Re: 开幕式56民族少年都是汉族扮演posted on 08/18/2008
yc wrote:
Lip-synching over his own voice is not the same as 演双簧。
Your probably even do not know many universities in US have lip-synching contests.
- Re: 开幕式56民族少年都是汉族扮演posted on 08/18/2008
Also in Las Vegas many shows have lip-synching after famous singers (Mike Jackson, etc.) as well.
- posted on 08/18/2008
Please write in a way that normal people can read. I'm not sure whether IOC has regulation or rule on show or not. Assuming it hasn't any, does that mean anything goes as far as the show is concerned? Can I stage you stripping lip-synced with Paris Hilton moaning?
I am not particularly moral but things and people below my standard are certainly not commendable.
grow wrote:
Why not except in your self-appointed moral court? IOC has NO regulation or rule on show.
Who decides on what is integrity? You? - posted on 08/18/2008
中华人民共和国国务院令
(第439号)
《营业性演出管理条例》已经2005年3月23日国务院第84次常务会议通过,现予公布,自2005年9月1日起施行。
总理 温家宝
二00五年七月七日(完)
......
第四十七条 有下列行为之一的,对演出举办单位、文艺表演团体、演员,由国务院文化主管部门或者省、自治区、直辖市人民政府文化主管部门向社会公布;演出举办单位、文艺表演团体在2年内再次被公布的,由原发证机关吊销营业性演出许可证;个体演员在2年内再次被公布的,由工商行政管理部门吊销营业执照:
(一)非因不可抗力中止、停止或者退出演出的;
(二)文艺表演团体、主要演员或者主要节目内容等发生变更未及时告知观众的;
(三)以假唱欺骗观众的;
(四)为演员假唱提供条件的。
有前款第(一)项、第(二)项和第(三)项所列行为之一的,观众有权在退场后依照有关消费者权益保护的法律规定要求演出举办单位赔偿损失;演出举办单位可以依法向负有责任的文艺表演团体、演员追偿。
有本条第一款第(一)项、第(二)项和第(三)项所列行为之一的,由县级人民政府文化主管部门处5万元以上10万元以下的罚款;有本条第一款第(四)项所列行为的,由县级人民政府文化主管部门处5000元以上1万元以下的罚款。
- posted on 08/19/2008
touch certainly has a higher moral standard than many other people including people from IOC, NBC, which I certainly appreciate.
Are you aware of lib syncing competition, which is a popular sport in itself
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=qAx&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=lip+syncing+competition&spell=1
Also, are you aware of movies that include lib syncing, like
"singing in the rain"
"the doors"
My moral standard is certainly lower than those of Touche, and I still think under-age, doping matter more than lib syncing, especially when the tickets already gave credits to the both girls (Yang and Lin).
- posted on 08/22/2008
我刚看了NBC 本地新闻. IOC开始在调查中国体操女运动员的年龄. 上天保佑, 但愿没事.
如果有问题的话, 我大概也要请病假了. 我曾经反复告诉我的同事们: 东方女性看起来通常比她们真实的年龄小十岁.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/olympics/2599227/Chinese-Olympic-gymnast-He-Kexin-facing-age-inquiry.htmlJuly wrote:
作假说到底是为了国家形象,也就是说是给外国人看的,让外国人看了好看。可是,当你早晨上班的路上,看见芝加哥所有的大小报纸头版上全是两个女孩子的照片,你大概就会意识到这件事的严重性,你就会说,张导,行行好,别丢人现眼了。哪一天,我几乎想请假不上班了。 - posted on 08/22/2008
Chinese are not careful with their exact ages. For example, my mom
just don't remember my sister's birthday. As a result, my sister's birthday in her passport has an error of (+-) 6 months.
lucy wrote:
如果有问题的话, 我大概也要请病假了. 我曾经反复告诉我的同事们: 东方女性看起来通常比她们真实的年龄小十岁.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/olympics/2599227/Chinese-Olympic-gymnast-He-Kexin-facing-age-inquiry.htmlJuly wrote:
作假说到底是为了国家形象,也就是说是给外国人看的,让外国人看了好看。可是,当你早晨上班的路上,看见芝加哥所有的大小报纸头版上全是两个女孩子的照片,你大概就会意识到这件事的严重性,你就会说,张导,行行好,别丢人现眼了。哪一天,我几乎想请假不上班了。 - posted on 08/22/2008
现在就心虚了?
真金不怕火炼,没假还怕查?别护犊子啊。
pepper wrote:
Chinese are not careful with their exact ages. For example, my mom
just don't remember my sister's birthday. As a result, my sister's birthday in her passport has an error of (+-) 6 months.
lucy wrote:
如果有问题的话, 我大概也要请病假了. 我曾经反复告诉我的同事们: 东方女性看起来通常比她们真实的年龄小十岁.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/olympics/2599227/Chinese-Olympic-gymnast-He-Kexin-facing-age-inquiry.htmlJuly wrote:
作假说到底是为了国家形象,也就是说是给外国人看的,让外国人看了好看。可是,当你早晨上班的路上,看见芝加哥所有的大小报纸头版上全是两个女孩子的照片,你大概就会意识到这件事的严重性,你就会说,张导,行行好,别丢人现眼了。哪一天,我几乎想请假不上班了。 - Re: 开幕式56民族少年都是汉族扮演posted on 08/22/2008
Now Hu has no face now. - posted on 08/22/2008
TOP TEN LIST:何可欣的年龄不怕调查的十大理由
10 看了开幕式了吗? 印刷术是中国发明的!
9 何姑娘是金庸家里的那个“天山童姥”。永远长不大。保密至今是为了国家利益。
8 国家队员都常年饮马家军甲鱼汤。喝得骨头变成了甲骨。骨龄逾千年,早超标了。
7 中央发了红头文件,征调了全国十六岁以上的十万个同名的“何可欣”,待命。
6 愤青们已经开始人肉搜索那个负责调查的奥委会成员,会很快给他个说法的。
5 何姑娘现在跟键炎发作。不能参加年龄检查。何时能见人待做完500个广告后再说。
4 据公安调查,那个报导小何是十三岁的记者是个练功后走火入魔的,现在治好了,已经出来承认造假了。
3 中国人现在都装嫩,跟胡主席和鹤颜童发的政治局大老们学的。毋须见怪。
2 俺们中国自古就用十六进制。十三四岁按公制已经是快二十的人了。而且,
1 俺们中国人的年龄是按虚岁算的。还要用农历,加生肖,子丑寅卯, 戊己庚辛,天干地支,生辰八字。算去吧,你们他妈的洋人算得出来吗? 查,叫你查个屁!ZT
- Re: 开幕式56民族少年都是汉族扮演posted on 08/22/2008
Haha wrote:
TOP TEN LIST:何可欣的年龄不怕调查的十大理由
10 看了开幕式了吗? 印刷术是中国发明的!
Unfortunately for you, 印刷术是中国发明的.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printing - posted on 08/22/2008
Excuse me??? You are on high again?
I don't have anything to hid. Dare to show youe real MJ?
心虚 wrote:
现在就心虚了?
真金不怕火炼,没假还怕查?别护犊子啊。
pepper wrote:
Chinese are not careful with their exact ages. For example, my mom
just don't remember my sister's birthday. As a result, my sister's birthday in her passport has an error of (+-) 6 months.
lucy wrote:
如果有问题的话, 我大概也要请病假了. 我曾经反复告诉我的同事们: 东方女性看起来通常比她们真实的年龄小十岁.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/olympics/2599227/Chinese-Olympic-gymnast-He-Kexin-facing-age-inquiry.htmlJuly wrote:
作假说到底是为了国家形象,也就是说是给外国人看的,让外国人看了好看。可是,当你早晨上班的路上,看见芝加哥所有的大小报纸头版上全是两个女孩子的照片,你大概就会意识到这件事的严重性,你就会说,张导,行行好,别丢人现眼了。哪一天,我几乎想请假不上班了。
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