- Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/12/2009
I guess the answer is: a wife wants to be a mistress, and a mistress wants to be a wife. To be fair, the conclusion applies to men as well.
I'm kidding......@^@ - posted on 07/12/2009
谢阿bee!我的看法是,most of the time, wife is jealous of mistress's freedom and independence, mistress longs for security and social recognition.
最希望你来参加这个话题讨论,还有你的搞女性主义研究的专业朋友们。
作女人,一生当中免不了当一回或N回mistress,或者,免不了被一个或者N个狐狸精来自家菜园子骚扰:)如果两种经历都没有的话,那也就跟死人差不多了,活着,就是作mistress或者跟mistress们争个你死我活。 所以这个话题该拿到台面上来谈。xw也不敢谈毒品历史。我觉得没什么不能拿到台面上的。
有关mistress vs. wife的女性研究早有很多powerful的著述。等下列几个书单。我不太喜欢学术类书,更喜欢文学性的调侃文字。 - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/12/2009
没有上不了台面的话题,只有上不了台面的人。我没那么多taboos.
你列吧。列完了得空我找来看。
maya wrote:
所以这个话题该拿到台面上来谈。咖啡就是要谈几个拿不到台面上公开讲的话题。
有关mistress vs. wife的女性研究早有很多powerful的著述。等下列几个书单。我不太喜欢学术类书,更喜欢文学性的调侃文字。 - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/12/2009
http://www.amazon.com/Sleeping-your-Husband-Michelle-Mitchell/dp/1419620770/ref=pd_rhf_shvl_3
刚在amazon上读到几段,很好笑。
amazon有不少这类题材的小说。当下的mistress都趾高气昂的,倒是wive像是从前的原配。
欧洲贵族阶层上个世纪,奢靡得很,所以才有dangerous liaison 那样出色的love game。原本,婚姻进化到今天,物质基础丰富后,婚姻就是那个意思。 - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/12/2009
Dangerous Liaisons有个韩版,Scandal 丑闻:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0380689/
maya wrote:所以才有dangerous liaison 那样出色的love game。原本,婚姻进化到今天,物质基础丰富后,婚姻就是那个意思。 - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/12/2009
说理论有啥意思, 说经历才有趣呢 :-) - posted on 07/12/2009
读完sanford的新闻,这首歌就一直在唱,也有点同情他这个三角关系中的弱势群体。他倒是知道怎么赚女人眼泪的,这点就是政治家才有的滑头啊......
中国男孩这样的就蛮可爱.....
有点笑岔气了.....
- Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/12/2009
hey abee, 听到的最好笑的一个故事是这样的,mistress结果爱上了wife,两人好上了,倒把那傻男人撇在一边,两人现在住一起。
这该是一个女性主义的新trend,你说呢?
男人整天fantasize想着看两个les做爱,真看到两人相爱把他撇一边,那才是挺难受~~~, 并且,中年男人了,吃多少伟哥都不顶事儿了。 - posted on 07/12/2009
那边就不回了,放到这边说。玛姐姐,我觉得你好威,你是不是和娜姐姐一样,都是狮子座?
七月估计也是狮子座,怎么看都不象巨蟹座。
这个trend值得大力提倡,哈哈。
maya wrote:
hey abee, 听到的最好笑的一个故事是这样的,mistress结果爱上了wife,两人好上了,倒把那傻男人撇在一边,两人现在住一起。
这该是一个新的女性主义的新trend,你说呢?
男人整天fantasize想着看两个les做爱,真看到两人相爱把他撇一边,那才是挺难受~~~, 并且,中年男人了,吃多少伟哥都不顶事儿了。 - posted on 07/12/2009
Abee: 我是巨蟹座 :-)
你那小说还写不写了, 我最想知道的是小问, 如果她不是一个les, 咋办?
BeeKP wrote:
那边就不回了,放到这边说。玛姐姐,我觉得你好威,你是不是和娜姐姐一样,都是狮子座?
七月估计也是狮子座,怎么看都不象巨蟹座。
这个trend值得大力提倡,哈哈。
maya wrote:
hey abee, 听到的最好笑的一个故事是这样的,mistress结果爱上了wife,两人好上了,倒把那傻男人撇在一边,两人现在住一起。
这该是一个新的女性主义的新trend,你说呢?
男人整天fantasize想着看两个les做爱,真看到两人相爱把他撇一边,那才是挺难受~~~, 并且,中年男人了,吃多少伟哥都不顶事儿了。 - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/12/2009
Maya, wrong question. 应当问:Husband or lover, which do you want, or both? Male or female lover, which do you want, or both? :)
切,才发现,mistress 的 male counterpart 叫什么我都不知道,谁来启蒙? - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/12/2009
面首.
But I don't know English, maybe laoshang knows? :-)
浮生 wrote:
Maya, wrong question. 应当问:Husband or lover, which do you want, or both? Male or female lover, which do you want, or both? :)
切,才发现,mistress 的 male counterpart 叫什么我都不知道,谁来启蒙? - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/13/2009
oh, many names:
Gigalo
HeBitch
Manwhore
Under cover Brother
kept man
boy toy
personally, i like the word "Mattress" :) like the mattress on your doorway:)
浮生 wrote:
Maya, wrong question. 应当问:Husband or lover, which do you want, or both? Male or female lover, which do you want, or both? :)
切,才发现,mistress 的 male counterpart 叫什么我都不知道,谁来启蒙? - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/13/2009
哈哈。笑死过去。
maya wrote:
personally, i like the word "a Mattress" :) like the mattress on your doorway:) - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/13/2009
哇,你是我见过的最威的巨蟹座。
比郎才尽了,所以不写了。
如果小问不是lesbian, 她的选择无非两个:如果对方表白的话,她接受或拒绝啊。
July wrote:
Abee: 我是巨蟹座 :-)
你那小说还写不写了, 我最想知道的是小问, 如果她不是一个les, 咋办?
- Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/13/2009
浮生你是下列星座的哪一个:
水瓶,天蝎,天秤?
排列顺序和我的直觉强弱正相关。 - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/13/2009
When I was young, both at the same time. Now I am older, neither at anytime, thank you:-). - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/13/2009
Abee:major-政治学,minor-星相学?:)
能不能先告诉我为什么是这三个这个顺序,我再回答你。
BeeKP wrote:
浮生你是下列星座的哪一个:
水瓶,天蝎,天秤?
排列顺序和我的直觉强弱正相关。 - posted on 07/13/2009
abee 难道是个小广东?谁是娜姐姐?我怎么威了? 说我是个lioness 啊, 不是啊,我很温顺的,并且是最吃苦耐劳的那个座。
曾经历见过屠宰场里待宰的牛,它们真的都会掉眼泪的,有的还会跪下来哀求的。
abee谈星座的神态,简直就是个高中女生。前阵子装大人谈政治,把我们都唬得一愣愣的,揭开盖头,才知道是个可爱小女生。
BeeKP wrote:
那边就不回了,放到这边说。玛姐姐,我觉得你好威,你是不是和娜姐姐一样,都是狮子座?
七月估计也是狮子座,怎么看都不象巨蟹座。
这个trend值得大力提倡,哈哈。
- Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/13/2009
Please tell us your story, we are sitting to listen
July wrote:
说理论有啥意思, 说经历才有趣呢 :-) - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/13/2009
星月:什么星座啊你?处女座?笑。
浮生:政治星相学。直觉不好解释吧。你问了这个问题,直觉又把后两个选项都叉掉了。再说这直觉迄今为止没猜对一个。笑。
玛姐姐:娜姐就是麦姐。原来是闷骚的金牛座。什么小女生啊,我很老很老啦。什么谈政治啊,我唯一真心喜欢的是问星座,嘻嘻。
- Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/13/2009
Now I have a perfect husband, and on top of that, am in need of a housewife and a couple of lovers both male and female :)
浮生 wrote:
Maya, wrong question. 应当问:Husband or lover, which do you want, or both? Male or female lover, which do you want, or both? :)
切,才发现,mistress 的 male counterpart 叫什么我都不知道,谁来启蒙? - posted on 07/13/2009
are u going to make your perfect hubby to be your cuckold? and he gleefully defer to your power? good job, xue MM.
blx wrote:
Now I have a perfect husband, and on top of that, am in need of a housewife and a couple of lovers both male and female :)
浮生 wrote:
Maya, wrong question. 应当问:Husband or lover, which do you want, or both? Male or female lover, which do you want, or both? :)
切,才发现,mistress 的 male counterpart 叫什么我都不知道,谁来启蒙? - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/13/2009
女权问题上,浮生比玛雅先锋。浮生已跳出了那个圈圈。
浮生 wrote:
Maya, wrong question. 应当问:Husband or lover, which do you want, or both? Male or female lover, which do you want, or both? :)
切,才发现,mistress 的 male counterpart 叫什么我都不知道,谁来启蒙? - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/13/2009
abee谈星座的神态,简直就是个高中女生。前阵子装大人谈政治,把我们都唬得一愣愣的,揭开盖头,才知道是个可爱小女生。
同感。:-) - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/13/2009
启蒙我就不谦虚了。
和mistress对应的是master。实际上前者是后者的派生词。
Like it or not. ;)
浮生 wrote:
Maya, wrong question. 应当问:Husband or lover, which do you want, or both? Male or female lover, which do you want, or both? :)
切,才发现,mistress 的 male counterpart 叫什么我都不知道,谁来启蒙? - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/13/2009
和mistress对应的是master。实际上前者是后者的派生词。
Like it or not. ;)
错错错!
Hey, girls, should we send Touche back to the classroom? - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/13/2009
你才知道,浮生从来都比我cool,我才刚刚当上翻身农奴,她早就是土豪恶霸了:)
Null wrote:
女权问题上,浮生比玛雅先锋。浮生已跳出了那个圈圈。
- Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/13/2009
哈哈哈,further, to the prehistoric caves.
maya wrote:
和mistress对应的是master。实际上前者是后者的派生词。错错错!
Like it or not. ;)
Hey, girls, should we send Touche back to the classroom? - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/13/2009
Abee, 我是白羊座的,算出什么命来可告诉我啊。
touche wrote:
启蒙我就不谦虚了。
和mistress对应的是master。实际上前者是后者的派生词。
Like it or not. ;)
哈哈哈。。。打倒touche!因为你竟然是对的:)
建议将touche送去玛雅课堂,请Mistress Maya把Master touche改造成Mattress touche,从门口做起:)
- Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/13/2009
不得了,一会儿没有上咖啡,怎么就暴发了革命,陡然成了matriarchal母系社会呢(至少这条线:),在这里男人都成了giglo、面首、脱星、仆人或者席梦思,就差玛雅穿皮靴鞭笞了:)
想起一个讲原始人的电影“火之站”,一个年轻男子跑到附近部落取火种,误入母系社会,那个部落只有一个老头,剩下的全是女子,整个部落女子虐待该男子,直到将这个男子几乎粉身碎骨才放他出来:) - posted on 07/13/2009
i believe the relation of true love is absolutely open and free, refrained from any form of pressure, being power or whatever social inventions. and so do I believe such consensus can be feasibly reached in reality. The consensus sticking to either loyalty or diversity equal. .
yet in no case could I identify myself with any form of feminist, but perhaps humanist and a little bit of astrologist :)
maya wrote:
are u going to make your perfect hubby to be your cuckold? and he gleefully defer to your power? good job, xue MM.
blx wrote:
Now I have a perfect husband, and on top of that, am in need of a housewife and a couple of lovers both male and female :)
浮生 wrote:
Maya, wrong question. 应当问:Husband or lover, which do you want, or both? Male or female lover, which do you want, or both? :)
切,才发现,mistress 的 male counterpart 叫什么我都不知道,谁来启蒙? - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/13/2009
i see:) i think we three could make a club of Aries. who else?
浮生 wrote:
Abee, 我是白羊座的,算出什么命来可告诉我啊。 - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/13/2009
gz wrote:
abee谈星座的神态,简直就是个高中女生。前阵子装大人谈政治,把我们都唬得一愣愣的,揭开盖头,才知道是个可爱小女生。
同感。:-)
je l'ai deja trouvee beaucoup plutot que deux de vous ...:) - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/13/2009
建议将touche送去玛雅课堂,请Mistress Maya把Master touche改造成Mattress touche,从门口做起:)
Moi, je voudrais transformer monsieur touche pour monstre touche avec plaisir, d'accord? - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/13/2009
浮生,谢你答我。
- Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/13/2009
hahaha, t'es trop rigolote, tu veux dire que tu voudrais le tranformer en un monstre touche avec une touche de toi chargée de plaisir? En es-tu sure que t'as pas besoin d'un coup de main de maya et celui des autres, pour lui donner un coup de pied? :):)
对不起,觉得太好玩了,忍不住 :):)
Moi, je voudrais transformer monsieur touche pour monstre touche avec plaisir, d'accord? - posted on 07/13/2009
这是我的贴,丢三落四掉了一半ID, 不是故意的。
鹿 wrote:
hahaha, t'es trop rigolote, tu veux dire que tu voudrais le tranformer en un monstre touche avec une touche de toi chargée de plaisir? En es-tu sure que t'as pas besoin d'un coup de main de maya et celui des autres, pour lui donner un coup de pied? :):)
对不起,觉得太好玩了,忍不住 :):)
Moi, je voudrais transformer monsieur touche pour monstre touche avec plaisir, d'accord? - posted on 07/13/2009
Merci de ta explication formidable. C'est absolutment ce que je voulais dire. mon francais est tres mauvais, veuillez me corriger, s'il vous plait :)
mais d'aillure, je te propose de lui donner un "coup de boule" par monsieur Zidine Zidane.
http://www.mimifr.com/bbs/Announce/Announce.asp?BoardID=41&ID=7434
鹿 wrote:
hahaha, t'es trop rigolote, tu veux dire que tu voudrais le tranformer en un monstre touche avec une touche de toi chargée de plaisir? En es-tu sure que t'as pas besoin d'un coup de main de maya et celui des autres, pour lui donner un coup de pied? :):)
对不起,觉得太好玩了,忍不住 :):)
Moi, je voudrais transformer monsieur touche pour monstre touche avec plaisir, d'accord? - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/13/2009
废名 wrote:
想起一个讲原始人的电影“火之站”,一个年轻男子跑到附近部落取火种,误入母系社会,那个部落只有一个老头,剩下的全是女子,整个部落女子虐待该男子,直到将这个男子几乎粉身碎骨才放他出来:)
哈哈,看样子这回touche不被弄个粉身碎骨是出不了这条线了,没看鹿希乐得连自己姓什么都忘了,废名要不要也试试?:)
雪MM,三个?还谁,Abee嘛?
- posted on 07/13/2009
Sorry. Ne le prends pas trop au sérieux, je voulais juste faire un jeu de mot pour amuser. ::) Bonne chance pour tous tes coups de tout genres.
blx wrote:
Merci de ta explication formidable qui est absolutment ce que je voulais dire. mon francais est tres mauvais, veuillez me corriger, s'il vous plait :)
mais d'aillure, je te propose de lui donner un "coup de boule" par monsieur Zidine Zidane.
http://www.mimifr.com/bbs/Announce/Announce.asp?BoardID=41&ID=7434鹿 wrote:
hahaha, t'es trop rigolote, tu veux dire que tu voudrais le tranformer en un monstre touche avec une touche de toi chargée de plaisir? En es-tu sure que t'as pas besoin d'un coup de main de maya et celui des autres, pour lui donner un coup de pied? :):)
对不起,觉得太好玩了,忍不住 :):)
Moi, je voudrais transformer monsieur touche pour monstre touche avec plaisir, d'accord? - posted on 07/13/2009
那可不是,说来巧,上月出去玩,结果偶然撞到 Sade 老人家的庄园,还在琢磨他究竟有多先锋,肯定比不上玛雅。
她们仨就够了,用不着你我出阵吧?:)
浮生 wrote:
废名 wrote:哈哈,看样子这回touche不被弄个粉身碎骨是出不了这条线了,没看鹿希乐得连自己姓什么都忘了,废名要不要也试试?:)
想起一个讲原始人的电影“火之站”,一个年轻男子跑到附近部落取火种,误入母系社会,那个部落只有一个老头,剩下的全是女子,整个部落女子虐待该男子,直到将这个男子几乎粉身碎骨才放他出来:)
雪MM,三个?还谁,Abee嘛?
- Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/13/2009
Si, je suis vraiment serieuse:) ca me fais grand plaisir d'avoir professure Lucy! S'il vous plait!!!!Votre francais est excellent!! je suis en train d'apprendre le francais et espere que vous pouvez parler plus en plus en francais en maya cafe!
鹿希 wrote:
Sorry. Ne le prends pas trop au sérieux, je voulais juste faire un jeu de mot pour amuser. ::) Bonne chance pour tous tes coups de tout genres. - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/13/2009
浮生 wrote:
雪MM,三个?还谁,Abee嘛?
是不是很可怕?我最初不太能接受abee是白羊座的事实哈:)。。 - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/13/2009
See, you owe me a surprise. 我是最分裂的那类羊。
blx wrote:
是不是很可怕? - posted on 07/13/2009
don't be narrow:) i would kindly suggest maya and bee to update your obsolete mindset of feminist with a broader and holistic perspective of humanist. in this case, why not go for 3p? more human and more fun, you bet....
BeeKP wrote:
这个trend值得大力提倡,哈哈。
maya wrote:
hey abee, 听到的最好笑的一个故事是这样的,mistress结果爱上了wife,两人好上了,倒把那傻男人撇在一边,两人现在住一起。
这该是一个新的女性主义的新trend,你说呢?
男人整天fantasize想着看两个les做爱,真看到两人相爱把他撇一边,那才是挺难受~~~, 并且,中年男人了,吃多少伟哥都不顶事儿了。 - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/13/2009
tender as I am, hereby pay you back with a genuine compliment: "测验一个人的智力是否属于上乘,只要看他脑子里能否同时容纳两种相反的思想,而无碍于其处世行事。" quoted from another line by xw :)
BeeKP wrote:
See, you owe me a surprise. 我是最分裂的那类羊。
blx wrote:
是不是很可怕? - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/13/2009
阿姗 wrote:
各位MM玩的好开心!不过这条线我是越来越看不懂了。:)
抱歉阿姗。我只是善意的用touche先生喜欢的法语调侃了他几句(稍用英语解释一下:monsieur touche=Mr touche, monstre touche=monster touche, so i suggest Mr touche=monster touche),lucy法文超好的,又发挥了一下。。。然后我佩服得紧,就乞求lucy当我的法语老师来着。 - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/14/2009
maya wrote:
oh, many names:
Gigalo
HeBitch
Manwhore
Under cover Brother
kept man
boy toy
personally, i like the word "Mattress" :) like the mattress on your doorway:)
Don't steer us wrong, maya, are you mistaking street lover for secret lover here? :)) I thought the better and worthier names are romeo, cicisbeo, fancy man, inamorato .... - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/14/2009
blx wrote:
don't be narrow:) i would kindly suggest maya and bee to update your obsolete mindset of feminist with a broader and holistic perspective of humanist. in this case, why not go for 3p? more human and more fun, you bet....
lecture me please, blx MM, what's 3p for here? of the people, by the people, for the people? Don't quote on me this time though, you know who's to take the credit :) - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/14/2009
藏东地区曾有一妻多夫的习俗。通常哥三四个娶一个老婆,最惨的最小的兄弟,情窦未开,老婆已经过了四五十岁了。一次路途中遇到一个藏人,她母亲就是这样一个嫁给多个兄弟的。我问她其母亲是否很幸福,这么些人宠爱,她说,别提了,虽然哥几个相安无事,但互相嫉妒,而且照顾这些男人很累。她母亲喜欢最小的,但最小的对她没有兴趣,另外有女朋友。她母亲的梦想来世好好只嫁给一个男人。
所以浮生 blx, 千万不要叶公好龙哟,没有体验的未必就是好的:) - posted on 07/14/2009
阿姗 wrote:
各位MM玩的好开心!不过这条线我是越来越看不懂了。:)
你看吧,这就是他们那边儿搞英语霸权的结果,就跟大汉族主义刺激人疆独似的:)
老瓦 wrote:
Don't steer us wrong, maya, are you mistaking street lover for secret lover here? :)) I thought the better and worthier names are romeo, cicisbeo, fancy man, inamorato ....
两位都够有研究的哈,这么说还真是不能只听女权主义者的了,we'd miss half of the story :)
还有那个3p,会不会是three principles of the people啊?
废名你那例子不适用哈,人那是资源缺乏,控制人口又减少竞争的自然选择,结果是大家都没得选择。 - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/14/2009
老瓦 wrote:
lecture me please, blx MM, what's 3p for here? of the people, by the people, for the people? Don't quote on me this time though, you know who's to take the credit :)
班长,你好天真(念zēn),好纯(cún)洁耶! - posted on 07/14/2009
- Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/14/2009
雪mm,不用抱歉。我看不懂,不只是那几句法文。我是整条线都越看越迷惑了。想不到大家都对这个话题有那么多研究。我本来就打算听玛雅和雪mm讲故事的呢。:)
想问你一个,是不是法国人都特别"humanistic"?前几年认识个法国人,邀请我搬到巴黎跟他和妻子(其实是没结婚的女朋友)一起住,还可以帮他们生孩子。我当时没想明白,他是要我做 mistress 还是 wife?
blx wrote: - posted on 07/14/2009
Puis-je continuer alors? Fais un effort, transforme M. Touche en un monsieur touchant. Je dis pas que touche n'est pas touchant en tant que tel, mais avec ta touche à toi, il le sera encore plus. Ne le croirais-tu pas? ::)
Touche serait pas contre, j'en suis presque sure, quoi que, on ne sait jamais.
blx wrote:
Si, je suis vraiment serieuse:) ca me fais grand plaisir d'avoir professure Lucy! S'il vous plait!!!!Votre francais est excellent!! je suis en train d'apprendre le francais et espere que vous pouvez parler plus en plus en francais en maya cafe!
鹿希 wrote:
Sorry. Ne le prends pas trop au sérieux, je voulais juste faire un jeu de mot pour amuser. ::) Bonne chance pour tous tes coups de tout genres. - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/14/2009
repetition, del. - posted on 07/14/2009
哇,法语真好听啊,连骂我都好听。我就当德彪西的音乐听了。妙兮布谷!图香,多好听的名字!和提香难兄难弟。图雅都会嫉妒得起死回生。
看来咖啡办外语版势在必行了。
我上次贴了一位美国小企业主关于政府该如何切实帮助拯救经济的文章,让我吃惊的是作者居然在咖啡里出现并谢转载。我估计是他自己古狗,看看文章的影响力。可见,咖啡是会有老外来的。特别是老板娘的洋狐朋狗友。;)
对我来讲,更重要的是有个小阵地可以顺便针对着美国的右翼保守狗屁们出出气。
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阿珊把法国人的性开放说成“人道主义”很逗。 - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/14/2009
Hey Stellaluna, is that you? is that how you get this cute name? Then you are not old at all, you are.... you are a baby bat! - posted on 07/14/2009
Achilles' heel 原来在这里! 咖啡里的兄弟姐妹们,今后你们别用中文骂他,跟他说中文,他就跟牛一样犟,要当master;用法语骂他,他就舒坦得很,当doormat也乐呵呵滴....
今后若有人用埃塞俄比亚文骂他,那才.....
touche wrote:
哇,法语真好听啊,连骂我都好听。我就当德彪西的音乐听了。妙兮布谷!图香,多好听的名字!和提香难兄难弟。图雅都会嫉妒得起死回生。
看来咖啡办外语版势在必行了。
我上次贴了一位美国小企业主关于政府该如何切实帮助拯救经济的文章,让我吃惊的是作者居然在咖啡里出现并谢转载。我估计是他自己古狗,看看文章的影响力。可见,咖啡是会有老外来的。特别是老板娘的洋狐朋狗友。;)
对我来讲,更重要的是有个小阵地可以顺便针对着美国的右翼保守狗屁们出出气。
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阿珊把法国人的性开放说成“人道主义”很逗。 - posted on 07/14/2009
要是不会法语, 用苏州话骂行不行?苏州话不比法语难听吧? :-)
maya wrote:
Achilles' heel 原来在这里! 咖啡里的兄弟姐妹们,今后你们别用中文骂他,跟他说中文,他就跟牛一样犟,要当master;用法语骂他,他就舒坦得很,当doormat也乐呵呵滴....
今后若有人用埃塞俄比亚文骂他,那才.....
touche wrote:
哇,法语真好听啊,连骂我都好听。我就当德彪西的音乐听了。妙兮布谷!图香,多好听的名字!和提香难兄难弟。图雅都会嫉妒得起死回生。
看来咖啡办外语版势在必行了。
我上次贴了一位美国小企业主关于政府该如何切实帮助拯救经济的文章,让我吃惊的是作者居然在咖啡里出现并谢转载。我估计是他自己古狗,看看文章的影响力。可见,咖啡是会有老外来的。特别是老板娘的洋狐朋狗友。;)
对我来讲,更重要的是有个小阵地可以顺便针对着美国的右翼保守狗屁们出出气。
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阿珊把法国人的性开放说成“人道主义”很逗。 - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/14/2009
Nothing escapes your keen eyes:-).
I am an old soul though I got the cute baby bat name:LOL:
maya wrote:
Hey Stellaluna, is that you? is that how you get this cute name? Then you are not old at all, you are.... you are a baby bat! - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/14/2009
July wrote:
要是不会法语, 用苏州话骂行不行?苏州话不比法语难听吧? :-)
"宁愿和苏州人吵架,不愿和宁波人讲话"。:-) - posted on 07/14/2009
谁骂您哪? 俺理解巴黎雪MM 是想用快乐的高招把您老人家折腾成一个monstre,我问她是否要玛雅等高人帮忙呢,而且既然快乐助人,干脆好事做到底,把你改造得 秃香一点嘛,您不反对吧? : ))
touche wrote:
哇,法语真好听啊,连骂我都好听。我就当德彪西的音乐听了。妙兮布谷!图香,多好听的名字!和提香难兄难弟。图雅都会嫉妒得起死回生。
看来咖啡办外语版势在必行了。
我上次贴了一位美国小企业主关于政府该如何切实帮助拯救经济的文章,让我吃惊的是作者居然在咖啡里出现并谢转载。我估计是他自己古狗,看看文章的影响力。可见,咖啡是会有老外来的。特别是老板娘的洋狐朋狗友。;)
对我来讲,更重要的是有个小阵地可以顺便针对着美国的右翼保守狗屁们出出气。
+++
阿珊把法国人的性开放说成“人道主义”很逗。 - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/14/2009
既然如此, 我就不客气了。 光猪六壮士们,当心了!
gz wrote:
July wrote:"宁愿和苏州人吵架,不愿和宁波人讲话"。:-)
要是不会法语, 用苏州话骂行不行?苏州话不比法语难听吧? :-) - posted on 07/15/2009
仔细分析一下Jenny的表态,她还是说了几句多余的话,这几句多余的话就让她cool的不够。
His career is not a concern of mine。He's going to have to worry about that. I'm worried about my family and the character of my children.
这两句就够了,后面的那些主啊上帝啊相信婚姻啊都是屁话,让她显得是个victim,you got what you want, marriage and children, then shut up. 但现在美国主流大概还就喜欢这几句多余的似是而非。相比之下,那个不说话的Maria Belen Chapur就更酷一点。我孤陋寡闻,也许她也废话了,但我没看见。
想把标题改成浮生的,但我们还是先谈完mistress跟wife,之后再起个头谈husband or mattress.
。。。。。。
Sanford's wife: 'His career is not a concern of mine'
(CNN) -- Jenny Sanford said Thursday that her husband Mark Sanford's political career is "not a concern of mine" and that she'd be just fine -- regardless of whether their marriage survives.
She would not speculate whether her husband would resign as South Carolina governor.
"His career is not a concern of mine," she told reporters as she departed the family's vacation home in Sullivan's Island, South Carolina. "He's going to have to worry about that. I'm worried about my family and the character of my children."
She added that she would be fine, with or without her husband.
"I have great faith and great friends and great family. We have a good Lord in this world and I know that I'm going to be fine and not only will I survive, I'll thrive," she said.
"I don't know if he'll be with me, but I'm going to do my best to work on my marriage because I believe in marriage. I believe in raising good kids is the most important thing in the world," she said.
- Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/15/2009
太蜜了吧,这些都是床上叫的名字,不是official的专业职称。inamorato?LOL,你哪儿找来的名字!
Don't steer us wrong, maya, are you mistaking street lover for secret lover here? :)) I thought the better and worthier names are romeo, cicisbeo, fancy man, inamorato .... - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/15/2009
正襟危坐地谈什么西方的没落,东方的崛起。谈崛起,最好还是先从床上谈起。对比一下陈良宇的mistress跟sanford的mistress,以及媒体、大众的反应,那就是几个世纪的差距。我恐怕西方的没落遥遥无期,东方的崛起也不过是伟哥效应。
围城内外的男女互为彼此的mistress跟mattress,才是真正的世界大同, 和谐社会。
- posted on 07/15/2009
首先坦白,如此Juicy的线,头一眼看见心里就痒痒的;虽然告诫自己要做正人君子,最终仍免不了下水,可怜,可叹。
第二是很惊奇,如此前卫的话题,竟然参与发言者多为女性。是不是男性都光干不说了?说到性解放,大概亚洲人可以给欧美人上一课。
第三,久听说cafe的老板娘语不惊人死不休,下面这段评论,实在精彩。;)
maya wrote:
正襟危坐地谈什么西方的没落,东方的崛起。谈崛起,最好还是先从床上谈起。对比一下陈良宇的mistress跟sanford的mistress,以及媒体、大众的反应,那就是几个世纪的差距。我恐怕西方的没落遥遥无期,东方的崛起也不过是伟哥效应。
围城内外的男女互为彼此的mistress跟mattress,才是真正的世界大同, 和谐社会。
- Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/15/2009
赏石 wrote:
首先坦白,如此Juicy的线,头一眼看见心里就痒痒的;虽然告诫自己要做正人君子,最终仍免不了下水,可怜,可叹。
那赏石就先给我们做个党代表,说说下水经历,呛水过程.......细节! - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/15/2009
这是要把我钉在“羞耻柱”上?:-( 我花了大劲才把BGG的名号送出去,前功尽弃可不行啊。
那话怎么说的?悄悄地进村,打枪的不要。;-)
maya wrote:
那赏石就先给我们做个党代表,说说下水经历,呛水过程.......细节! - posted on 07/15/2009
maya wrote:
围城内外的男女互为彼此的mistress跟mattress,才是真正的世界大同, 和谐社会。
哈哈。对对。等大伙最后都睡成了彼此的亲戚,比如我的情人是你的前夫,你的前夫是她的现任。。。世界就终于四海一家了。
篡改DUNCAN WATTS的SIX DEGREES的最初级假设,假设大家都本着世界公民的责任至少睡100个(important: those people must not be clustered),两个分离度内一个人就拥有10000个睡出来的亲戚,三个分离度1000000个亲戚,四个分离度100 million个亲戚,五个分离度10 billion个亲戚。
现在世界上人口总共才6.7 billion.
都是亲戚。Perpetual peace. 哈哈。
- posted on 07/15/2009
touche wrote:
哇,法语真好听啊,连骂我都好听。我就当德彪西的音乐听了。妙兮布谷!图香,多好听的名字!和提香难兄难弟。图雅都会嫉妒得起死回生。
哇,第一次看到touche这么开心耶!touche的中文真好,merci beaucoup能翻译成妙兮布谷?lucy的法文才是妙兮布谷呢,我看图香不如图尚,还跟塞尚有一拼:)
阿珊把法国人的性开放说成“人道主义”很逗。
这个怪我,前面为了说明feminist的局限,随便用了一个humanist,,都还没来及征求真正的humanist,dude先生同不同意这个,先算我瞎说了啊
dear asha,i wish you allow me to de-personalize your question a bit as how to perceive the love related relations of modern people. theoretically I think the key is to go beyond the traditional framework of marriage which actually defines the role of wife and mistress. because human's love relationship is a far more complex matrix with many dimensions and varies in different context in terms of nature, degree, intensity,direction etc. - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/15/2009
赏石这个回复比起刚才那帖亚洲雄风的宣言可以说是历史性的倒退:)
赏石 wrote:
这是要把我钉在“羞耻柱”上?:-( 我花了大劲才把BGG的名号送出去,前功尽弃可不行啊。
那话怎么说的?悄悄地进村,打枪的不要。;-)
maya wrote:
那赏石就先给我们做个党代表,说说下水经历,呛水过程.......细节! - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/15/2009
Once when some international students were discussing the beauty of French, I commented, "Of course, the French are proud of their language, for they have nothing else to be proud of." They hit me but gently. Truly, as Bernard Shaw said, "The French don't care about what they do, as long as they can pronounce it properly."
“家花没有野花香,野花没有家花长。”讨论好像没有超出这两句嘛。太大男子主义了!应该从女权的角度谈谈。 - posted on 07/15/2009
那好,我就从一个新的女性角度来谈这个话题。
有一种误解是这样的,都以为出墙的男人是花花公子,花心好像克林顿。我见识过的一类出墙男人反倒是比较弱的,在家被老婆欺负的,这类男人尤其危险。
从前的笔记翻出来,有些这样的记录:
他犹豫了很多次,抗拒着不想见面。最按捺不住的时候也就是找借口一本正经谈公事。电话上也不说什么的,要说什么,也先道歉好多次,讲话也慢慢的。他似乎总是被男性同胞嘲弄,不经意看,几乎有点窝囊废的模样。他尤其是个好父亲,厨艺超棒,注重细节,什么事情都为你想周全了。即便是多年分手后再见到,他依然保留着你当初送他的照片或者信物。
脾气好得不行,你怎么作践他损他骂他,他都好像欢欢喜喜地承受。ta心理修养好,你越是骂他贱骨头,笨蛋,他越要宠着你,给你作饭,把你喜欢的东西都捉摸透了,专挑好时机巴结你。你生病了,电话过去,他手边再要紧的事情都放下跑来。这样的男人好像橡皮糖,甩都甩不掉。
脾气爆的男人别说mistress,恐怕连老婆都骗不来。
家花没有野花香,野花没有家花长。”讨论好像没有超出这两句嘛。太大男子主义了!应该从女权的角度谈谈。 - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/15/2009
maya wrote:
那好,我就从一个新的女性角度来谈这个话题。
有一种误解是这样的,都以为出墙的男人是花花公子,花心好像克林顿。我见识过的一类出墙男人反倒是比较弱的,在家被老婆欺负的,这类男人尤其危险。
张爱琳似乎是这么说女人的,看来有普适性。
- posted on 07/15/2009
老板娘把男人说得太不堪。
忽然间想到的,“新的女性角度”不应仅仅是和传统对着来吧?这样的角度有没有误区?
总觉得一个新的女性,不应该只着眼于把自己变成一个臭男人。;-)
maya wrote:
那好,我就从一个新的女性角度来谈这个话题。
有一种误解是这样的,都以为出墙的男人是花花公子,花心好像克林顿。我见识过的一类出墙男人反倒是比较弱的,在家被老婆欺负的,这类男人尤其危险。
从前的笔记翻出来,有些这样的记录:
他犹豫了很多次,抗拒着不想见面。最按捺不住的时候也就是找借口一本正经谈公事。电话上也不说什么的,要说什么,也先道歉好多次,讲话也慢慢的。他似乎总是被男性同胞嘲弄,不经意看,几乎有点窝囊废的模样。他尤其是个好父亲,厨艺超棒,注重细节,什么事情都为你想周全了。即便是多年分手后再见到,他依然保留着你当初送他的照片或者信物。
脾气好得不行,你怎么作践他损他骂他,他都好像欢欢喜喜地承受。ta心理修养好,你越是骂他贱骨头,笨蛋,他越要宠着你,给你作饭,把你喜欢的东西都捉摸透了,专挑好时机巴结你。你生病了,电话过去,他手边再要紧的事情都放下跑来。这样的男人好像橡皮糖,甩都甩不掉。
脾气爆的男人别说mistress,恐怕连老婆都骗不来。
家花没有野花香,野花没有家花长。”讨论好像没有超出这两句嘛。太大男子主义了!应该从女权的角度谈谈。 - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/15/2009
我怎么觉得花心是人性,无论男女耶:)
行人 wrote:
maya wrote:张爱琳似乎是这么说女人的,看来有普适性。
那好,我就从一个新的女性角度来谈这个话题。
有一种误解是这样的,都以为出墙的男人是花花公子,花心好像克林顿。我见识过的一类出墙男人反倒是比较弱的,在家被老婆欺负的,这类男人尤其危险。
- Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/15/2009
老廖也给英语套住了。我觉得把西欧文化看作个蛋糕,英国提供是面粉,法国提供的是奶油。
liaokang wrote:
Once when some international students were discussing the beauty of French, I commented, "Of course, the French are proud of their language, for they have nothing else to be proud of." They hit me but gently. Truly, as Bernard Shaw said, "The French don't care about what they do, as long as they can pronounce it properly."
- Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/15/2009
所以说有普适性嘛。
blx wrote:
我怎么觉得花心是人性,无论男女耶:)
行人 wrote:
张爱琳似乎是这么说女人的,看来有普适性。
- posted on 07/15/2009
意大利是 cherry on the cake.
touche wrote:
老廖也给英语套住了。我觉得把西欧文化看作个蛋糕,英国提供是面粉,法国提供的是奶油。
liaokang wrote:
Once when some international students were discussing the beauty of French, I commented, "Of course, the French are proud of their language, for they have nothing else to be proud of." They hit me but gently. Truly, as Bernard Shaw said, "The French don't care about what they do, as long as they can pronounce it properly."
- posted on 07/15/2009
It might be less than peaceful:LOL:.
My lesbian friend always complained that everybody seemed to be dating everybody else' ex girl friend. The complication of a small dating pool was unbearable. Even a simple dinner party took a lot of scheming so all the exes would not have to bear pain of watching their old flames cuddling with new partners.
BeeKP wrote:
哈哈。对对。等大伙最后都睡成了彼此的亲戚,比如我的情人是你的前夫,你的前夫是她的现任。。。世界就终于四海一家了。
篡改DUNCAN WATTS的SIX DEGREES的最初级假设,假设大家都本着世界公民的责任至少睡100个(important: those people must not be clustered),两个分离度内一个人就拥有10000个睡出来的亲戚,三个分离度1000000个亲戚,四个分离度100 million个亲戚,五个分离度10 billion个亲戚。
现在世界上人口总共才6.7 billion.
都是亲戚。Perpetual peace. 哈哈。
- posted on 07/15/2009
maya wrote:
太蜜了吧,这些都是床上叫的名字,不是official的专业职称。inamorato?LOL,你哪儿找来的名字!
Don't steer us wrong, maya, are you mistaking street lover for secret lover here? :)) I thought the better and worthier names are romeo, cicisbeo, fancy man, inamorato ....
哦,最先看到时以为inamorato是日本A片的大明星,再一细查,人家是意大利的喜剧人物名字,Commedia dell'Arte (Italian: "the comedy of art (of improvisation)") , 家喻户晓的程度跟罗密欧差不多:)) 都怪我太相信书本,还是你们来继续讨论。 - posted on 07/15/2009
stellaluna wrote:
It might be less than peaceful:LOL:.
My lesbian friend always complained that everybody seemed to be dating everybody else' ex girl friend. The complication of a small dating pool was unbearable. Even a simple dinner party took a lot of scheming so all the exes would not have to bear pain of watching their old flames cuddling with new partners.
Sharp observation! That's why I added a precondition over there: "those people must not be clustered." We call it "clustering" when pepole share mutual friends or lovers.
- posted on 07/15/2009
BGG还是可以当党代表吗, 很有洞察力哈!
在三福州长的Mistress vs. wife事件中,我看这Mistress 和 wife都无伤大雅,最傻B的是州长自己,什么也没得着,还成了笑话, 给这个男人不论做Mistress还是wife, 都够没意思的,把他一脚踢开才不耽误工夫。
ted hughes在Mistress自杀后说,他像是一个在沙漠上的人,一只黑乌鸦紧紧地跟着他,可他只有一粒子弹,他不知该打死他自己,还是乌鸦。
在我看来,最酷的女人是Marlene Dietrich :-)麦当娜和她比,只能提鞋,那才是真正的独立!玛雅离那个境界还很远,要努力!
赏石 wrote:
老板娘把男人说得太不堪。
忽然间想到的,“新的女性角度”不应仅仅是和传统对着来吧?这样的角度有没有误区?
总觉得一个新的女性,不应该只着眼于把自己变成一个臭男人。;-)
maya wrote:
那好,我就从一个新的女性角度来谈这个话题。
有一种误解是这样的,都以为出墙的男人是花花公子,花心好像克林顿。我见识过的一类出墙男人反倒是比较弱的,在家被老婆欺负的,这类男人尤其危险。
从前的笔记翻出来,有些这样的记录:
他犹豫了很多次,抗拒着不想见面。最按捺不住的时候也就是找借口一本正经谈公事。电话上也不说什么的,要说什么,也先道歉好多次,讲话也慢慢的。他似乎总是被男性同胞嘲弄,不经意看,几乎有点窝囊废的模样。他尤其是个好父亲,厨艺超棒,注重细节,什么事情都为你想周全了。即便是多年分手后再见到,他依然保留着你当初送他的照片或者信物。
脾气好得不行,你怎么作践他损他骂他,他都好像欢欢喜喜地承受。ta心理修养好,你越是骂他贱骨头,笨蛋,他越要宠着你,给你作饭,把你喜欢的东西都捉摸透了,专挑好时机巴结你。你生病了,电话过去,他手边再要紧的事情都放下跑来。这样的男人好像橡皮糖,甩都甩不掉。
脾气爆的男人别说mistress,恐怕连老婆都骗不来。
家花没有野花香,野花没有家花长。”讨论好像没有超出这两句嘛。太大男子主义了!应该从女权的角度谈谈。 - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/16/2009
No one will ever win the battle of the sexes; there's too much fraternizing with the enemy.
20世纪的杰出性格女人太多,各个领域都有,敬仰不过来。上次xw提到二三十年代的丁玲,如何裸奔救革命,吸引观众参加革命游行示威(大概如此?)。我们这辈人哪里比得过?
Rand跟丁玲,一个极右,一个极左,都不是平衡木,但都曾经非常sexy。
- Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/16/2009
赏石常常石头得很,不解其中三味。抱其雄,守其雌;抱其阳,守其阴;抱其尊,守其卑。这类男人手里才有杀手锏。
“只着眼于把自己变成一个臭男人”,请elaborate 一下。
赏石 wrote:
老板娘把男人说得太不堪。
忽然间想到的,“新的女性角度”不应仅仅是和传统对着来吧?这样的角度有没有误区?
总觉得一个新的女性,不应该只着眼于把自己变成一个臭男人。;-)
- Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/16/2009
Hughes是为自己的命运难受,而不是为Assia. 他害怕“杀妻者”的恶名如影随行。
July wrote:
ted hughes在Mistress自杀后说,他像是一个在沙漠上的人,一只黑乌鸦紧紧地跟着他,可他只有一粒子弹,他不知该打死他自己,还是乌鸦。
- Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/16/2009
政客能为自己的affair掉几滴鳄鱼泪作秀,这已经是非常了不起的政治进化了。相比克林顿的: I did not have sexual relations with that woman。克林顿的胆怯,对女性的不屑不尊重,不尊重到甚至不屑提她的名字。“that woman", 光是这个称谓就气晕女人,that woman? "that woman" just licked your dick, asshole!
政客的一滴眼泪很值钱。刘备的眼泪让曹操的百万雄师无用武之地,这类男性动物就是在向高级动物进化了。我倒是希望政客们多掉点鳄鱼泪。
- Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/16/2009
Jay Leno in his talk show joked that, "that woman" was referring to Mrs. Clinton. ;) - posted on 07/16/2009
值钱还不因为是稀罕物什。这马三福的眼泪一路从阿巴拉契亚山脉洒水到阿根廷,还能值几个铜板。
再说,politics does not believe in tears.
maya wrote:
政客能为自己的affair掉几滴鳄鱼泪作秀,这已经是非常了不起的政治进化了。相比克林顿的: I did not have sexual relations with that woman。克林顿的胆怯,对女性的不屑不尊重,不尊重到甚至不屑提她的名字。“that woman", 光是这个称谓就气晕女人,that woman? "that woman" just licked your dick, asshole!
政客的一滴眼泪很值钱。刘备的眼泪让曹操的百万雄师也阳痿,这类男性动物就是在向高级动物进化了。我倒是希望政客们多掉点鳄鱼泪。
- Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/16/2009
Neither mistress nor wife won, they all died.
Speaking of Hughes, his birthday letters suggests that he loved his wife more than his mistress.
wanda wrote:
Hughes是为自己的命运难受,而不是为Assia. 他害怕“杀妻者”的恶名如影随行。
July wrote:
ted hughes在Mistress自杀后说,他像是一个在沙漠上的人,一只黑乌鸦紧紧地跟着他,可他只有一粒子弹,他不知该打死他自己,还是乌鸦。
- posted on 07/16/2009
maya wrote:
赏石常常石头得很,不解其中三味。抱其雄,守其雌;抱其阳,守其阴;抱其尊,守其卑。这类男人手里才有杀手锏。
“只着眼于把自己变成一个臭男人”,请elaborate 一下。
老庄的这段话,庸俗地解释一下,就是以退为进吧?雄雌,阴阳, 尊卑都是因为对方的存在而有存在的意义。女性主义的终极目标,不在于match男性曾经或者现在正在做的。因为有妾就一定要有面首,这样的女权至上,我以为,没有什么意义。
从性的角度上讲,男女一起才有和谐的性,追究谁在上面其实意思不大。
(以上一句同志们可能不同意。不过着眼一下同志们的性行为,不过是男女性行为的另一种表示而已。) - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/16/2009
So did their children. Plath's son also committed suicide not long ago. Hughes destroyed everything he had ever touched.
July wrote:
Neither mistress nor wife won, they all died.
Speaking of Hughes, his birthday letters suggests that he loved his wife more than his mistress.
- Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/16/2009
I remember the news says Hughes did do something to alleviate the impact of family tragedy on his son, through insulating the boy from literary circles.
wanda wrote:
So did their children. Plath's son also committed suicide not long ago. Hughes destroyed everything he had ever touched.
- Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/20/2009
blx wrote:
i see:) i think we three could make a club of Aries. who else?
浮生 wrote:
Abee, 我是白羊座的,算出什么命来可告诉我啊。
我算一个。最近这些帖,就这帖看得明白。今年七月够热的。 - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/20/2009
周末看了老片《玛丽,苏格兰女王》,其中拍了英女王伊丽莎白一世和她的弼马温(Horse Master)相好。弼马温急着要和她结婚。伊丽莎白说,英国有一个mistress, 英国不需要master。 - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/20/2009
Great Line!
Any cafe too?
touche wrote:
周末看了老片《玛丽,苏格兰女王》,其中拍了英女王伊丽莎白一世和她的弼马温(Horse Master)相好。弼马温急着要和她结婚。伊丽莎白说,英国有一个mistress, 英国不需要master。 - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/20/2009
I haven’t watched this movie, but I thought what Elizabeth I said was:”I will have one mistress and no master”?
touche wrote:
周末看了老片《玛丽,苏格兰女王》,其中拍了英女王伊丽莎白一世和她的弼马温(Horse Master)相好。弼马温急着要和她结婚。伊丽莎白说,英国有一个mistress, 英国不需要master。 - Re: Mistress vs. wife, whom do you want to be?posted on 07/20/2009
You are very likely right. Pardon the gestalt effect. This makes more sense and must be a well-quoted line.
Susan wrote:
I haven’t watched this movie, but I thought what Elizabeth I said was:”I will have one mistress and no master”?
touche wrote:
周末看了老片《玛丽,苏格兰女王》,其中拍了英女王伊丽莎白一世和她的弼马温(Horse Master)相好。弼马温急着要和她结婚。伊丽莎白说,英国有一个mistress, 英国不需要master。
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