- >很多人劝我买个专业点的相机:NIKON D80， 加个镜头。
Hey, I'm seriously thinking to have D80 too. We can share information about it in cafe light if you like. My current camera Kodak D400 has been serving me for 7 years and has fallen on solid ground twice.
I am struggling in choosing between D80 and D200 since Nikon has dropped the price of the higher end D200 therefore the prices of D80 and D200 are pretty close now.
D80
- 琛屼汉
If you like D200, I'd suggest you to take a look at Sony Alpha. The later use the same sensor(same manufacturer, same model) as D200(which means same picture quality) yet with richer features and faster speed. And the price tag is about half of D200.
Generally, if you are looking for an entry level DSLR, I'd say avoid Nikon and Canon. They deliberately stipe off features and lower down th - st dude
That's very important and valuable information. Thanks. I'm defenitely going for entry level stuff. I am also that kind customer with blind faith. When a good quality camera being mentioned, Nikon and Canon always come into my mind.
- guanzhong不管什么牌子，我建议一定要有高倍的 zoom。我的第一个 film camera 配了一个 28 ~ 200 mm zoom, 从广角到望远，取景非常灵活，好用极了。换成数字相机，optical zoom 也得要 12x。
Lucy, 如果你有大倍数的 zoom, 你照的日落会精彩十倍！:-)
- 娴敓
Lucy的红蜻蜓很棒，虽然不如你朋友的清晰，我更喜欢你的，因为背景和层次讲出来的故事。当然如果用更powerful的相机让蜻蜓更清晰一点，背景糊一点就更好。Lucy的照片越来越好看，是不是跑色坛泡去了：）
st dude若买DSLR，除了机身还要考虑镜头（特别是你万一要发起烧来：），很多人stick to尼康或佳能，镜头可能是一个原因。不过具体我也不懂，我也总想买DSLR，下不了决心买哪个，哪个都嫌沉，最后弄个傻瓜了事。
- rzp谢谢这么多位的交流。要使图像清晰投影到大屏幕（比如说１００吋）像片分辩率至少要多大？
- 娴敓
那得看大屏幕的resolution吧，屏幕大，resolution不一定就高，取决于投影仪，投影仪大概也不会比我们用的计算机屏幕就高。具体我不知，比如如果是1024x1024，那1M就够了，现在的相机远不止。可以查查投影仪最高到多少了。
- st dudeI guess you may need a 50 mp or so digital camera. But I am not sure if my guess is correct.
Suppose 100 ppi big screen is clear enough for our eyes. Your 100 inches projector screen is about the size 60x80 (100^2 = 60^2 + 80^2). So
vertical: 100 x 60 = 6,000 pixel
horizon: 100 x80 = 8,000 pixel
total 6,000 x8,000 = 48,000,000 pixel= 48 mega pixel
I heard Canon currently is developing 5
- st dudeI think you and guanzhong both are right. lens with great zoom functionality is very important. a digital camera body is just a computer. A good image has be made by good lens at first, then processed by the computer(body).
- 娴敓
rzp不要听st dude的超高科技：）第一，50MP的DC没处买，第二，有卖也买不起，第三，买的起也没有投影仪能投，第四，投到大屏幕上了我们的眼睛也看不出来，除非贴到屏幕上去：）这还不说处理一幅50MP的图片花的时间。
我去查了下，LCD投影仪现在最好到2048x1536，也就是3M，什么DC都对付了，高分辨率DC主要是用于大尺幅的printing。当然如果你是不止一个投影仪叠起来用，另当别论。
- st dude浮生是对的.我错了. 投影仪是通过二次成像把像投到屏幕上, 不是显示上去的. 不能象我那样去算.
象浮生这样的专家用傻瓜照相机, 屈才呀. 你应该去买个专业一点的.
- ME泼一盆冷水:
(1) 如果你不是职业摄影者，犯不着花上比900美元更高的价钱买一部SLR专业照相机。否则你可能根本就搞不懂它的大多数功能，而且使用起来也十分麻烦。再就是你还要学会处理RAW图象。我敢打赌你这辈子真正需要使用专业照相机的时间不会超过十秒钟。你照的相片中99.99%只要普通的机子就足足有余了。
（2）长焦镜头也未必是每一个摄影者的必需。当你使用长焦镜头时，你必须使用一个坚固的三角架稳定住像机。否则你手�
- 闃垮同意ME。用傻瓜机也能拍出很好的照片。
- 琛屼汉
也同意，目前最好的傻瓜可能是Canon G7，很小巧，可以装在衣服口袋里，镜头非常好，有人认为照片的质量比一般的单反都好。这儿有一大群fan http://mycanong7.com
- lucy
好吧！ 我几乎每天都看日落的！
- 娴敓st dude 折煞我，你看见ME和阿姗说的吧，我就是见阿姗用傻瓜拍的照片才知道我的傻瓜机在我手里有多屈才，哪儿轮得到它屈我呀。
那，这儿有一组阿姗的照片：http://www.mayacafe.com/forum/topic1.php3?tkey=1154650129
- guanzhong
Not necessarily.
我用的28-200mm zoom 象个大炮，又长又重。用时从来不晃，长焦图像也从来不模糊。三角架只是拍夜景是用过。
- guanzhong
不是光好吧就行了，你得去买个12x的相机去。你住海边？羡慕！
- rzp
谢浮生和各位。snapshot相机取舍似乎是解决了。:-)
曾经有个专业人士介绍我买Sony的一个机器，主要功能是Video，也能照相。有一尺之长，用来拍各种节目，学校recital， concert应该是很好。现在一时忘了型号
（好像是这样的： http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/497448-REG/Sony__DSR_PD170_3_CCD_Mini_DVCAM.html）
一年前是~$3,500，说是给非、半专业人用的，不知有没有人用过。我当时被那size给吓住了�
- st dude有没有既能拍夜景的又能拍广角的傻瓜机? 能否推荐一下? 这是我最看中的两个功能. 其次我看中的功能有拍运动中的目标不模糊, 还可以拍摄秘密文件(close up).
- 娴敓
谁都有你那身肌肉呀：）12x相当400mm我相机没多大连取景都对不准，晃，多数时候是凑合瞎按。不过现在好多傻瓜镜头都带 Image Stablizer（IS），没三角架又可以至少慢两个档，否则我看能用上12x的时候不多，我看Lucy那个也有。
拍夜景长时暴光都得用三角架或放在什么上，傻瓜机可以拍，手持大概都不行，你看连guanzhong都不行：）傻瓜只有小广角35mm，我知道Canon Powershot S 系列的可以加lens converter，变成27mm？
- st dude你的照相机能拍夜景吗? 如果能, 你能否贴一张让我们看看质量? 先谢.
- guanzhong
说的我都不好意思了。:-)
用12x照日落，太阳可以照的很大。有一次Lucy 上了两张日落，太阳很小，我也和了她两张用12x照的，太阳就很大。（忘了在哪条线上了）她要是有12x, 那只蜻蜓也会照的更大更清楚些。
- rzpcanon g7 and the new canon S15 IS 都号称可拍夜景：
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=144&modelid=15207
- 闃垮Luxor Temple, Egypt
[Image] 原图在这里：http://www.mayacafe.com/user_images/1182232871_1_.jpg
- 鍏崄涓�瀛�28-200 mm 的镜头不是太好的选择。Too much compromise. 至少应该分成两个：28－70，70－200，或类似的镜头。比较理想的应该是三个：28mm广角镜，50mm普通镜，70－200mm长焦镜。
- lucy不算海！ 湾区.......
怎么人人都逼我买新相机啊！
- 鍏崄涓�瀛�路西如果真的要好好弄摄影，一架SLR，Canon 或 Nikon，还是需要的。机体一千刀一下，配两、三个镜头，几个滤光片，总共两千刀以下。
傻瓜照相机可控制的只是构图，拍风景还是不错的，但对景深、速度、曝光度都无法控制，要表现人物、活动场景、细微物体都很难。
- 鍏崄涓�瀛�Canon G7 看上去真不错。不过好像已经不是严格意义上的傻瓜了。 :-)
- MEWell, G7 does have many features normally only available on SLRs. However, disappointingly what it doesn\'t have is a raw mode, which appears to have been completely dropped by Canon for its compact models - presumably to protect the sales of entry-level digital SLRs.
Without raw mode, you will have much less control of your images.
- st dudeVery good picture. Just a little bit underexposure. But overall I am very impressed if it is shot by a point N shoot camera. What's brand/model of your camera? Thanks.
- lucyThanks!
- guanzhong
是低。但背一大堆镜头还要换来换去，太麻烦！喜欢 28-200 取景的灵活，从广角到望远，不过几秒钟。
- 闃垮相机是 Canon Powershot S2 IS。嫌这张曝光不足，等我有空再上几张夜景，还有更差一点的傻瓜机拍的夜景。
我以前也有过很高级的 SLR 相机，但因为发现出去旅行太不方便了，而且我喜欢抓拍，几个镜头换来换去的，还要背三脚架。。。。后来转数码机的时候，我就一直用傻瓜机，但以前学习的一些基本摄影构图、曝光知识，还是有用的。我觉得摄影最重要的是构思。就像任何艺术作品一样，一张照片，一定要有话可说。
当年我也在 Ca
- 娴敓哈，我的傻瓜跟阿姗的一样啊，是S3 IS。也上两张给st dude看看效果——
这张糊了，不过这是手持照的，若没有IS就更没法儿看了：
[Image] 这个好像是用了微距，没什么意思，还算清楚：
[Image] 这是差一些的傻瓜照的 PowerShot S45，放在栏杆上，不过天没黑透：
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- ME
No, it is not a little bit under exposure. The overall exposure is just right. It is just a little bit lack for details in the dark area (lower left), and the color of dark blue sky can be more vivid . That\'s not any camera can do, but you can use Photoshop to fix it (many compact cameras are capable of shooting raw pics). If the original picture is in raw mode, you can produce one pict
- D200D200 and 18-200 Nikkor AF DX VR lens, then you will be all set for while.
- guanzhong
Good point. Raw mode is very much a concern to me. Some cameras don't have raw mode, they only output compressed images (jpg). This may make the computer image processing problematic, which is very much what I enjoy doing (not necessarily using Photoshop).
- st dudeThank you. I just checked this camera. I think you made a vey good choice. Its Shutter speed can be as slow as 15 secs. no wonder you can take good night photograph. And it can also be as far as 1/3200 sec. Normally many P&S cameras just 1/1600 sec.
- st dudeYou just brought up another question I thought to ask/talk about:
Do all Pros use Photoshot to cook their photos today? Also, are those photos on exhibit photoshoted or not?
Some people say any photoshoted photos are not photography art, they are graphic art.
I dont have photoshot, but I know it is a very useful, very expensive and very good tool. Maybe just an average camera + photoshot
- st dudeThe 3rd one (night) is very good. I like it. You can keep your P&N for some time.
- Blue RiverThanks for the information. Is the aperture f3.5-5.6 good enough for low light situation? How about bokeh?
- D200Here is link talk about the lens.
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/18200.htm
I bought the lens for $699 one month ago. I took it with me on a trip to Toronto last week. I love it. It did all my needs.
- lucyThanks! May we have one pictur of Tornoto?
I miss Tornoto very much :)
- D200Here is one. I did lens correction and shrank the size.[Image]
- lucy谢谢！ 很清晰！ 很鲜艳！
还记得战战兢兢在那玻璃floor上的行走， 还记得从上面望出去， 所有的汽车看起来就象 toy cars！:)
- D200You are welcome. I am glad the picture picked up a little bit of memory of you.
- FengziI bought a D80 about a month ago. I think it's great. Although I know aboslutely nothing about photography, the camera has made me a pro, or at least look like a pro, especially to those as ignorant as I am.
Pros:
* Long batter life. Thousands of pictures per charge.
* Reasonably fast: 3 frames/sec.
* Instant turn-on, as if it sees attractive blondes all the time.
Cons:
* Too bulky. Not
- MEBack in the good old days when photography was 100% done by film cameras, the prof. photographers did use a lot of darkroom tricks to manipulate their pics for different results. Today there is not much difference except that all the re-processing work is done on computers, and more features are available than before. If you take a look at the Windows Vista wallpaper, those pics were shot by the
- D200FYI: The moon at 3am on July 1, 2007. Image was taken with D200 and 18-200 mm AF DX VR Nikkor lens in central New York. Copyright reserved. [Image]
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- rzpsnapshot test: canon S3 IS[Image]
- lucy
花很鲜艳！ 多照！
- 娴敓转几张网友用 Canon S2 IS 照的焰火：
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- WOA
这么精彩的照片，还是傻瓜机？高手太厉害了。
不好意思，我昨晚在后院也瞎照了，曝光15秒，结果看起来象鸡蛋打碎了（还是双黄蛋）。本来都不敢拿出来丢人显眼，就当作反面教材吧，下次的曝光时间要节约。
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- 娴敓我觉着WOA这张15s曝光也无不可，这样天空可以亮一些。这张主要是动了。我其实挺奇怪那10秒8秒的怎么那么清楚，好像就是三脚架拿手按快门，以前听说是得用快门线的，这看来得练完铁腕练铁指啊。
- 闃垮三年前我用朋友的 Canon G5 拍的烟花，还是手持的呢（把相机放在椅子背上，用手扶着），~f3.2，~1s。自觉也可以用来做反面教材。
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