Can you believe what's happening in New Orleans? God certainly humbles every nations, the only super power included. New Orleans became the third world in one strike. The relief effort is not something you'd imagine from the most powerful nation on the planet. This does not bode well for George Bush.
I have pleasant memories of the Big Easy, the capital of the laid-back, the party town of the nation, the birth-place of Jazz.
Fats Domino you can't die, "Blueberry Hill" must live!
- Re: The battle of New Orleansposted on 09/02/2005
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I saw much less menacing look on the faces of New Orleans people than people of many parts of the country while I was there. My general impression was that they were easy people. - posted on 09/02/2005
It occurred in the mind of a few people that what was going on in New Orleans was because no one cared too much about black people. The situation is truly disturbing.
ԪNew Orleans was a beautiful place. I have been there a few times.
gadfly wrote:
Ԫ wrote:I saw much less menacing look on the faces of New Orleans people than people of many parts of the country while I was there. My general impression was that they were easy people.
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LAõĵطѣ - posted on 09/02/2005
The government's handling of this disaster is a total disgrace. I can't believe this happens in the U.S. It seems like there is no procedure and no one in charge.
It only shows that the U.S. couldn't handle large-scale emergency evacuation. Why there is no shuttle bus? Why can't they borrow some from Greyhound? Everybody drives their own cars at a speed of a turtle, and those who don't have a car or can't drive ain't got a chance.
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It occurred in the mind of a few people that what was going on in New Orleans was because no one cared too much about black people. The situation is truly disturbing. - Re: The battle of New Orleansposted on 09/03/2005
poor people only have sad stories in their life in general, they always be left to the unvisible corner to struggle themself.
what we can say to our kids is do your best in your life if you would not like yourself to be a part of the left behind group. - Re: The battle of New Orleansposted on 09/03/2005
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- posted on 09/03/2005
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- posted on 09/03/2005
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- posted on 09/03/2005
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- Re: The battle of New Orleansposted on 09/03/2005
No civilized people ever abandon their weak and poor.
And if the weak and poor are left alone, the law of jungle takes over. - Re: The battle of New Orleansposted on 09/03/2005
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No civilized people ever abandon their weak and poor.
And if the weak and poor are left alone, the law of jungle takes over. - posted on 09/03/2005
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- Re: The battle of New Orleansposted on 09/03/2005
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Bush says results of hurricane response 'not acceptable'
The president's visit comes amidst fierce criticism
MOBILE, Alabama (AP) -- Facing sharp criticism, President Bush toured the hurricane-battered Gulf Coast on Friday and vowed the government will restore order in lawless New Orleans. He said the $10.5 billion approved by Congress was just a small down payment for disaster relief.
"It's worse than imaginable," the president said after walking through a battered neighborhood in Biloxi, Mississippi. He warned of gasoline supply problems this weekend because of damaged refineries and pipelines.
"I'm not looking forward to this trip," Bush said as he set out for a firsthand look at the destruction in Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi.
"It's as if the entire Gulf Coast were obliterated by the worst kind of weapon you can imagine," the president said. (See video of Bush's comments in Mobile, Alabama -- 5:06)
Bush opened the day at the White House where he expressed unhappiness with the efforts so far to provide food and water to hurricane victims and to stop looting and lawlessness in New Orleans. "The results are not acceptable," said Bush, who rarely admits failure. (See video of Bush's White House comments -- 2:32 | Transcript)
The president's comments came after New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin lashed out at federal officials, telling a local radio station "they don't have a clue what's going on down here."
Even Republicans were criticizing Bush and his administration for the sluggish relief effort. "I think it puts into question all of the Homeland Security and Northern Command planning for the last four years, because if we can't respond faster than this to an event we saw coming across the Gulf for days, then why do we think we're prepared to respond to a nuclear or biological attack?" said former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.
He urged Bush to name former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani as the White House point person for relief efforts. "We need to get the job done now, and I don't think anybody is better prepared to do that psychologically and otherwise than Rudy Giuliani," Gingrich told The Associated Press.
In Biloxi, Bush encountered two weeping women on a street where a house had collapsed and towering trees were stripped of their branches. "My son needs clothes," said Bronwynne Bassier, 23, clutching several trash bags. "I don't have anything."
"I understand that," Bush said. He kissed both women on their heads and walked with his arms around them, telling them they could get help from the Salvation Army. "Hang in there," he said.
Bush got a warm reception in Mobile from Govs. Haley Barbour of Mississippi and Bob Riley of Alabama. Both praised the federal government's response. Still, Barbour said, "We've suffered a grievous blow that we won't recover from for a long while."
Standing with the governors in an airplane hangar, Bush said, "We have a responsibility to clean up this mess."
"What is not working right, we're going to make it right," Bush said. Referring to rampant looting and crime in New Orleans, Bush said, "We are going to restore order in the city of New Orleans."
"We'll get on top of this situation," Bush said, "and we're going to help the people that need help."
Bush was accompanied by Homeland Security Department secretary Michael Chertoff. The department, which oversees the Federal Emergency Management Agency, has been accused of responding sluggishly to the deadly hurricane. On the plane ride to Alabama, Bush was briefed on plans for housing the tens of thousands of people displaced by the hurricane.
"There's a lot of aid surging toward those who've been affected. Millions of gallons of water. Millions of tons of food. We're making progress about pulling people out of the Superdome," the president said.
For the first time, however, he stopped defending his administration's response and criticized it. "A lot of people are working hard to help those who've been affected. The results are not acceptable," he said. "I'm heading down there right now."
Bush hoped that his tour of the hurricane-ravaged states would boost the spirits of increasingly desperate storm victims and their tired rescuers, and his visit was aimed at tamping down the ever-angrier criticism that he has engineered a too-little, too-late response.
Four days after Katrina made landfall in southeastern Louisiana, Bush was to get a second, closer look at the devastation wrought by the storm's 145 mph winds and 25-foot storm surge in an area stretching from just west of New Orleans to Pensacola, Florida. In all, there are 90,000 square miles under federal disaster declaration.
Friday's trip follows a 35-minute flyover of the region he took Wednesday aboard Air Force One as he headed back to Washington from his Texas ranch.
While the president was working his way along the coast, his wife, Laura, was scheduled to be nearby in Lafayette, La. Mrs. Bush was to visit the Cajundome arena to console people who took shelter there.
Amid the lowest approval ratings of his presidency, Bush has other problems besides the hurricane: Gasoline prices have soared past $3 a gallon in some places, and support is ebbing for the war in Iraq.
So Bush has tried to respond to Katrina in a way that evokes the national goodwill he cultivated after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks -- and that does not recall the criticism his father, former President Bush, endured after Hurricane Andrew slammed Florida in 1992.
But he began facing questions about his leadership in the crisis almost immediately. New Orleans officials, in particular, were enraged about what they said was a slow federal response.
- Re: The battle of New Orleansposted on 09/03/2005
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ohoh, the next will be SF.
KC, don't you really believe it would not make any difference if the majority left there were all WHITE, rich WHITE especially?
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3°¶̨̡ - Re: The battle of New Orleansposted on 09/03/2005
Every time a natural catastrophe strikes, I have a chilly feeling of how fragile human existence is, and how stupid for us to dinimish this existence more in war and in all kinds of violence out of hate and ignorance. - posted on 09/03/2005
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ohoh, the next will be SF.
KC, don't you really believe it would not make any difference if the majority left there were all WHITE, rich WHITE especially?
Oh yes! There would be big difference. If the majority left there were mostly white, pretty much like those left in the twin towers on 9/11/2001, then there would not be such large scale criminal activities throughout the New Orleans city. People would help each other instead. Women and children would be given water and food first no matter they are white or black. There could be a few criminal activities going on, but would not disrupt the public safety in such a big way. Remember about a year or two ago there was a power down in NYC? Most people who worked in NYC walked back home (anywhere from 3-30 miles) together. Neighbors shared food and water with each other. Only a few criminal activities were reported. There was no government's help. People were on their own for the first 2 days. Such widespread disciplane, cooperation, self control, order, mutual respect, and love could not be found in NEW ORLEANS on day 1, day 2, day 3......after the disaster. Who's fault? Most city officials there are black, including the mayer. You just can't say it is white's fault.
No matter the people left there are black or white, the major federal assistance will not start to arrive within 48 hours. So day 1 and day 2 are most critical - the city is basically on their own waiting for uncle Sam to show up. They just have to hold on and help themselves for the the first 2 days. This nation is the richest nation on earth. But, it still takes time to get stuff loaded and shipped to the disaster area. It also takes time to unload the stuff and distribute to needed places.
There are tons of agencies or organizations or individuals you can blame. You can say that the whole nation is not ready for major disasters. I agree. However,don't play the race card. If we do, we would be the loser finally. O.J. played race card, did blacks really win? If you really want to help blacks, find a job in a big city's City Hall. Then you will end up sharing the same view of mine. - posted on 09/03/2005
- posted on 09/03/2005
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I guess if I were a black person living in the south (or Detroit*), I would not probably not trust that the government would come soon and help us out. The government did not really care about the blacks because they are poor and uneducated and they don't vote. It is a vicious cycle. To me, it's easier to understand the behavoir of the black people, and a lot harder to agree with the way the government was handling the crisis. Because we are all people and if we put ourselves in other people's shoes, we usually can understand. On the other hand, government is not people. (There is no bad people, but only bad government.)
Let's all show some more sympathy and understanding to the people, while stay vigilant towards the government, especially those who represent the government.
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*During the blackout of 2003, Michigan was greatly affected. If I remembered correctly, the power of the inner city of Detroit (83% black population) was among the last to turn back on. Many black people in Detroit had no jobs, so they would not need to walk home together (15% unemployment). They were probaly used to live without electricity and clean water. Detroit tops in nations poverty census with 33.6% population below poverty level (http://www.freep.com/news/locway/poor31e_20050831.htm)
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I don't need New Orleans to remind me of the inequality in this country. My heart bleeds when I think about these poor poor people who has so little trust, so many fears, so much anger, and so few hopes...
- posted on 09/03/2005
Highlights:
"The scenario of a major hurricane hitting New Orleans was well anticipated, predicted and drilled around," said Clare Rubin, an emergency management consultant who also teaches at the Institute for Crisis, Disaster, and Risk Management at George Washington University.
In comments on Thursday, President George W. Bush said, "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees."
Most of those trapped by the floods in the city of some 500,000 people are the poor who had little chance to leave.
"It's well known that communications go down in disasters but people on the frontlines still don't invest in them." Craig Marks who runs Blue Horizons Consulting, an emergency management training company in North Carolina, said the authorities had mishandled the evacuation, neglecting to help those without transportation to leave the city.
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Models predicted New Orleans disaster, experts say
By Alan Elsner Fri Sep 2,11:54 AM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Virtually everything that has happened in New Orleans since Hurricane Katrina struck was predicted by experts and in computer models, so emergency management specialists wonder why authorities were so unprepared.
"The scenario of a major hurricane hitting New Orleans was well anticipated, predicted and drilled around," said Clare Rubin, an emergency management consultant who also teaches at the Institute for Crisis, Disaster, and Risk Management at George Washington University.
Computer models developed at Louisiana State University and other institutions made detailed projections of what would happen if water flowed over the levees protecting the city or if they failed.
In July 2004, more than 40 federal, state, local and volunteer organizations practiced this very scenario in a five-day simulation code-named "Hurricane Pam," where they had to deal with an imaginary storm that destroyed over half a million buildings in New Orleans and forced the evacuation of a million residents.
At the end of the exercise Ron Castleman, regional director for the Federal Emergency Management Agency declared: "We made great progress this week in our preparedness efforts.
"Disaster response teams developed action plans in critical areas such as search and rescue, medical care, sheltering, temporary housing, school restoration and debris management. These plans are essential for quick response to a hurricane but will also help in other emergencies," he said.
In light of that, said disaster expert Bill Waugh of Georgia State University, "It's inexplicable how unprepared for the flooding they were." He said a slow decline over several years in funding for emergency management was partly to blame.
In comments on Thursday, President George W. Bush said, "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees."
But Louisiana State University engineer Joseph Suhayda and others have warned for years that defenses could fail. In 2002, the New Orleans Times Picayune published a five-part series on "The Big One" examining what might happen if they did.
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It predicted that 200,000 people or more would be unwilling or unable to heed evacuation orders and thousands would die, that people would be housed in the Superdome, that aid workers would find it difficult to gain access to the city as roads became impassable, as well as many other of the consequences that actually unfolded after Katrina hit this week.
Craig Marks who runs Blue Horizons Consulting, an emergency management training company in North Carolina, said the authorities had mishandled the evacuation, neglecting to help those without transportation to leave the city.
"They could have packed people on trains or buses and gotten them out before the hurricane struck. They had enough time and access to federal funds. And now, we find we do not have a proper emergency communications infrastructure so aid workers get out into the field and they can't talk to one another," he said.
Most of those trapped by the floods in the city of some 500,000 people are the poor who had little chance to leave.
Ernest Sternberg, a professor of urban and regional planning at the University of Buffalo, said law enforcement agencies were often more eager to invest in high tech "toys" than basic communications.
"It's well known that communications go down in disasters but people on the frontlines still don't invest in them. A lot of the investments that have been made in homeland security have been misspent," he said.
Several experts also believe the decision to make FEMA a part of the Department of
Homeland Security, created after the September 11, 2001 attacks, was a major mistake. Rubin said FEMA functioned well in the 1990s as a small, independent agency.
"Under DHS, it was downgraded, buried in a couple of layers of bureaucracy, and terrorism prevention got all the attention and most of the funds," she said.
Former FEMA director James Lee Witt testified to Congress in March 2004: "I am extremely concerned that the ability of our nation to prepare for and respond to disasters has been sharply eroded.
"I hear from emergency managers, local and state leaders, and first responders nearly every day that the FEMA they knew and worked well with has now disappeared. In fact one state emergency manager told me, 'It is like a stake has been driven into the heart of emergency management,"' he said.
Underlying the situation has been the general reluctance of government at any level to invest in infrastructure or emergency management, said David McEntire, who teaches emergency management at the University of North Texas.
"No-one cares about disasters until they happen. That is a political fact of life," he said.
"Emergency management is woefully underfunded in this nation. That covers not only first responders but also warning, evacuation, damage assessment, volunteer management, donation management and recovery and mitigation issues," he said.
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