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ġȨڡΪȨڡʱˡ - posted on 02/20/2006
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ǣdz˲Զ˵ԺǶλ߶ĸӦõóƵжϡ
жϣؾġҪжǣֻһĸɴɱ¾ͲȺģëʽĸжĸıѺͷ˼Ӧðڡĸﱾ֮Сȷ˵еıѺͷ˼Ӧ롰ĸһϵаУݣֳǵֵ
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- posted on 02/20/2006
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- posted on 02/21/2006
I feel strongly agreeing with Zili's article on "People's Revolution," but I'm not quite understanding the context of his article. Please forgive my ignorance. Who are the suppoased targets of his arguement? When was this article written? The current Chinese government is not holding such a view. Is any acholars in mainland China holding such a view right now? Some oversea Chinese or Western scholars holding such a view? My feeling is that most people inside China are not caring about this issue anymore. Most are busy with making money, I guess. I'm curious to know who is holding such a view of "People's Revolution" and only after I know that can I have a sense about how harmful this view may be. So please let me know more about the context to help make sensible judgement and fully understand the significance of this issue. - posted on 02/21/2006
ĸоξĸ֣Ҳ̶áӶֱķԳ²ĺԹԪǿ磬ѧĿ϶Լ췴ɵƽħëĿ϶ٷʽ϶ˣĸʮУʮһϡԭǹٷĸоߵij־ɡԭܶࡣ˵ʮ꣬һ:ĸˣ
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- Re: 造神者言――“五十天”和『炮打司令部』posted on 02/21/2006
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ڵһƬ - posted on 02/22/2006
Ah, yes. That's what I thought. Inside China, Cultural Revolution seems to have evaporated in history. This is terrible. Not only that, school education today does not portray correctly earlier part in history either.
As for oversea research on that period, I think I'm somewhat informed
and know what I'm talking about. I posted the following commet elsewhere in this cafe but apparently it's in the wrong place and no one is seriously discussing the issue there. I cut and paste it here for you to read.
"History is truth, and truth is history. At least I hope and wish so or believe so in the long run. For too often and too many times what we hear or read or remember is not truth. That's why we see revisions. Most revisions are not truth either, but overactions or reactions. That's why we need revisons of revisions, and after many circles around hopefully we get closer to truth."
My general impression is that of a trend of revisionism going on. Just like what zili has described above. And if I may, I can add to that list the revision on Gang of Four (e.g. claiming Zhang as the last Marxist or idealist and Jiang as a feminist) and that by the duaghter of Wu Faxian on her father, etc.
While some of these revisions have some elements of truth in them, they are far from truth yet and soemtimes even make things worse, further distorting the truth. To some extent I understand why this is happening. Half truth oten has the loudest voice because it provides with something new and fresh and easily catches attention while whole truth often appears to be boring or less exciting. But that is quite a dispoointment to me.
Regarding demonizing, I'm generally against it, because it doesn't help us to get the truth. But a sad fact is that, although I wish those who were guilty feel guilty and others can forgive them as much as they can or at least understand why or how or under what circumstances the crime took place, exactly the opposite is happening: the guilty do not reget at all while the rest of the world couldn't understand why it happened and could only demonize the person as a way to explain. Even demonizing Mao or early comminists doesn't work, because it may leave a false hope that if we had the right people as leaders (not psychologically defected or demons) communist experiment might have worked in China. Only when we admit that they probably got most of the best quality individuals but the system still did not work, we come to the final conclusion that communism will never work.
Another thing I liked in reading zili's article is that he points out that after 1957 we have lost almost all the resources in thinking straight or independently. The best we could do is to use Mao's words against his other words.
Another thought to me that occurs when I'm posting this note is I would like to get your attention to the eves of disasters ratehr than the disaters. While Zili pointed to 1957 and 1966, I would ask ourselves to think about 1956 and 1965. Isn't it the case that right before the impending disasters people were feeling quite good about the situations? There was a feeling that the worst was over, and that we were back on track again, and that it was the best of time in history, and that it was a wonderful and prosperous world we were living in (Sheng Shi?). How easily could such a "good time" slip into a disater? I ask. I'm not saying next year will be a disater, but I would still like to ask this question.
- posted on 02/22/2006
Ah, yes. That's what I thought. Inside China, Cultural Revolution seems to have evaporated in history. This is terrible. Not only that, school education today does not portray correctly earlier part in history either.
i think your portray correctly abou Cultural Revolution that will emerge from post-cccp period ,in that time cccp s archives will open.but now we cando something to say yes or no,hehe.
As for oversea research on that period, I think I'm somewhat informed
and know what I'm talking about. I posted the following commet elsewhere in this cafe but apparently it's in the wrong place and no one is seriously discussing the issue there. I cut and paste it here for you to read.
Cultural Revolution is a complex studing .you study this Revolution will same time study cccp history for example to read zhangrong s mao____ a unknown story ......
"History is truth, and truth is history. At least I hope and wish so or believe so in the long run. For too often and too many times what we hear or read or remember is not truth. That's why we see revisions. Most revisions are not truth either, but overactions or reactions. That's why we need revisons of revisions, and after many circles around hopefully we get closer to truth."
revisionism is a important phenomena and it near to your truth,i think.
My general impression is that of a trend of revisionism going on. Just like what zili has described above. And if I may, I can add to that list the revision on Gang of Four (e.g. claiming Zhang as the last Marxist or idealist and Jiang as a feminist) and that by the duaghter of Wu Faxian on her father, etc.
____it is fun on your idealist and feminist,but i will say no.
in my other article i said zhangchunqiao is 壬塣
While some of these revisions have some elements of truth in them, they are far from truth yet and soemtimes even make things worse, further distorting the truth. To some extent I understand why this is happening. Half truth oten has the loudest voice because it provides with something new and fresh and easily catches attention while whole truth often appears to be boring or less exciting. But that is quite a dispoointment to me.
____important is cccp close over everything
Regarding demonizing, I'm generally against it, because it doesn't help us to get the truth. But a sad fact is that, although I wish those who were guilty feel guilty and others can forgive them as much as they can or at least understand why or how or under what circumstances the crime took place, exactly the opposite is happening: the guilty do not reget at all while the rest of the world couldn't understand why it happened and could only demonize the person as a way to explain. Even demonizing Mao or early comminists doesn't work, because it may leave a false hope that if we had the right people as leaders (not psychologically defected or demons) communist experiment might have worked in China. Only when we admit that they probably got most of the best quality individuals but the system still did not work, we come to the final conclusion that communism will never work.
____ ......the crime took place......it happened from a demons .cccp has worked in them early time and "communism will never work".
Another thing I liked in reading zili's article is that he points out that after 1957 we have lost almost all the resources in thinking straight or independently. The best we could do is to use Mao's words against his other words.
____yes,in other side mao use maos this time s word against maos that time s word and behavior that is 塣ëһå
Another thought to me that occurs when I'm posting this note is I would like to get your attention to the eves of disasters ratehr than the disaters. While Zili pointed to 1957 and 1966, I would ask ourselves to think about 1956 and 1965. Isn't it the case that right before the impending disasters people were feeling quite good about the situations? There was a feeling that the worst was over, and that we were back on track again, and that it was the best of time in history, and that it was a wonderful and prosperous world we were living in (Sheng Shi?). How easily could such a "good time" slip into a disater? I ask. I'm not saying next year will be a disater, but I would still like to ask this question.
may be, it come and happend from 1949, may be from 1930s ,from ruijin and yaan,never emerge "good time" ,cccp never bring to a stop ɱ......
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