All ͶС welcomed!!!
:-)
- Re: 老A 老圣,这条线给你们做投资小资 :-)posted on 12/14/2007
July wrote:
All ͶС welcomed!!!
:-)
what is ͶС?
For the past 15 years, the only ͶС were the home owners. If you invest your money and time into other things ie the stocks, shares and bonds, you are doomed. :) - Re: 老A 老圣,这条线给你们做投资小资 :-)posted on 12/14/2007
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:-) - posted on 12/15/2007
˵úе.
ǰȥɽİԶضȼ, Ÿд. ֲ,ũÿÿ꾻ٵ2--3Ԫ,Ŀɴ10Ԫ. ΪȥıԶɽ,Ӧúܲ. ˽˽,Զسǵķز۸ҲũӶͬ, ۸500-600Ԫ/M2ǵڵ1300Ԫ/M2. ,ũӺ,±Ȼظ, ԣȴ̸. ԣĻЩͶʴ---㷿ز.
ڳҲ, Ǯ,ֶز.
ҪΪˮƽͶС,Ҳ̫,Ӿ. :)
wrote:
For the past 15 years, the only ͶС were the home owners. If you invest your money and time into other things ie the stocks, shares and bonds, you are doomed. :) - Re: 老A 老圣,这条线给你们做投资小资 :-)posted on 12/16/2007
ǰһξ˵SAC Capital ManagementĽƽȥһﵽһڶԪһôʽ𣬴ߵĻ˴ˡ
ϸµһ˵Ӣtimesϣ˵ΣȫһƪһɧŵĹ˾ͬɧšԭҲһ⻪ˡ˼顣ʶԣܻԭ治صλƽǮ̫ࡣ
עҲû֣ȫǺƴ˵ȥMITĻѧʿѧڡǷרҵ:) - posted on 12/16/2007
http://www.mayacafe.com/forum/topic1sp.php3?tkey=1192425449
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wrote:
ǰһξ˵SAC Capital ManagementĽƽȥһﵽһڶԪһôʽ𣬴ߵĻ˴ˡ
ϸµһ˵Ӣtimesϣ˵ΣȫһƪһɧŵĹ˾ͬɧšԭҲһ⻪ˡ˼顣ʶԣܻԭ治صλƽǮ̫ࡣ
עҲû֣ȫǺƴ˵ȥMITĻѧʿѧڡǷרҵ:) - posted on 12/16/2007
http://biz.tianjindaily.com.cn/content/2007-12/12/content_346152.htm
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2007-12-12 10:16:24
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- posted on 12/16/2007
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- posted on 12/16/2007
http://bbs.ustc.edu.cn/cgi/bbscon?bn=Chem&fn=M475E5034
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- Re: 老A 老圣,这条线给你们做投资小资 :-)posted on 12/16/2007
,moabȶй˵ĿҲǺϵ. :)
ֶй˵ĿϣΪѧã⡣
- posted on 12/16/2007
abc wrote:
2000꣬ϺΪƶزҵķչȡһӣһڡߡƽΪйķزôһֵǣʼͶйķزȷж϶Ͷʴ˾档
ǰ쿴̨ԡɷãǴӹȯ-ϰ˹-Ϲ֤ʼңַƣ˵2000еԿʼ06귿ͷͷ˷תͶƱ98ֻڽͨӵǼǾͿɵõգϺ˽5ˣգֻҪ200Ԫ̫ţˡ
һֱսʲô˰˵ô̫ĹУǹߡ - Re: 老A 老圣,这条线给你们做投资小资 :-)posted on 12/16/2007
罭,ֻҪ,һ. ʲôһָ,ȭ,ȭ,èȭ,,,,.
ezi wrote:
һֱսʲô˰˵ô̫ĹУǹߡ
- posted on 12/16/2007
http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_4bc21c9e010009qb.html
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- Re: 老A 老圣,这条线给你们做投资小资 :-)posted on 12/16/2007
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DzӢͬ.
- posted on 12/16/2007
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ѵصĻȣǵͶŶԱⲢζDzʤһսУʹȱԶսǿԼսǸơͶڲгƵֶⱣۼей˾ݣŤڼֵϤ˼õͶʼᡣ
йڼѷȫͶʾרҵ˲šЩδԼйʿǻرʱˡйĹƱгӮʱҲѾȥйгһչʱŸոտʼΪйЭᣨ TCFAĴʼ֮һҺܸ˿һʮϷչ׳һйͺ⻪רҵʿ֮ϣܹЯֲ磬ΪйҵǵĹס
- posted on 12/16/2007
abc wrote:
ƽdzйϣպлᾭӪҵ 20 άڵĵλͷdzˡΪòǸʻе࣬йǸϵһᡣȥŦԼһѧ˵Ϻ 2025 ܴﵽ 1 㣬ҶԪʿԴﵽ 11Ԥ⣬Ҳֻнƽ룬Ҹ˵DzӢͬ.
ͨ͵ƣһҲʲôµ2025꣬2015͵ˡʱһ20ԪһСͲ100Ԫһ300ԪҶԪ11ԪҲ11ˡ:)
ͨ˶ԣԴǹؼͨˣһһҪҪһDzһһĹԢܲÿ߲ˮ ԡ
˵1998й½ŵ춨˺10ķչٶȡ֪Ƿġ
BBCһţ˵ййزģΪй½2030ʱˮԴױͻǿݽʲôġԱھͿʼӦԡҲ֪һʱһˮǮ÷չֻһ㡣йиսҪӦԡйΪʲôڻԶԶ - posted on 12/16/2007
, ƽϴҲʯƱ. :)
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һ͵йҵֶйҵ{֮£ĿľΪʩӴѹͶߣԱ룬IJȡʯϣΪֵԼõݾСͼۻʮԪһͰʼڶͶ߲ʯͺʯƱΪܵλƽ֣һֱڹͼ۲ǣͼ۵ͶԲɳظΪȻۡ 1998ʯͼѴӽӽ10ԪͰ90ԪͰһֱڲʯڻʹʯͽ۸Զʯֻ۸ܽԼĶоģֵͣĻǿʯֻڻʯƱԴгȡü档
- posted on 12/16/2007
.
йڹˮƽ̨츱г.dzѧԺ. ѧѳΪܳĿѧ, ֻȶõĽ. ܽ,йۺȶ.
Ľȶͨƴģһƻֶʵֵ. ¶Դ˵Ȼ. йͼͨ,ֽȶ. , ,вʱȸӾ, гֶλЧƽȶ,.
ȶйͷ. ,йͨ08һή. гֶβоͻᶯƻֶ.
"˵1998й½ŵ춨˺10ķչٶȡ֪Ƿġ"---е. ʵʵ,ΪӦΣ,йÿ˹,Ͷ, ٹ·,ۿڵȻʩ, йͶ,ҲйĹʾ. Ժ, йһֱͶʲ. δйͶ·,е,˵վ.
йξȷʵֵÿ. :)
wrote:
ͨ͵ƣһҲʲôµ2025꣬2015͵ˡʱһ20ԪһСͲ100Ԫһ300ԪҶԪ11ԪҲ11ˡ:)
ͨ˶ԣԴǹؼͨˣһһҪҪһDzһһĹԢܲÿ߲ˮ ԡ
˵1998й½ŵ춨˺10ķչٶȡ֪Ƿġ
BBCһţ˵ййزģΪй½2030ʱˮԴױͻǿݽʲôġԱھͿʼӦԡҲ֪һʱһˮǮ÷չֻһ㡣йиսҪӦԡйΪʲôڻԶԶ - Re: 老A 老圣,这条线给你们做投资小资 :-)posted on 12/17/2007
ôͶСʳ˽ƽˡǺǡ齫ȥtrader100ÿ˶һΣĽŦԼ˽ѧᣬ߶Ϊճδѧ
һ⣺йͶ߶ԣõȯļң - Re: 老A 老圣,这条线给你们做投资小资 :-)posted on 12/17/2007
rzp wrote:
ôͶСʳ˽ƽˡǺǡ齫ȥtrader100ÿ˶һΣĽŦԼ˽ѧᡣ
һ⣺йͶ߶ԣõȯļң
Interactive broker (for professional), scottrad (for retail investors). - Re: 老A 老圣,这条线给你们做投资小资 :-)posted on 12/17/2007
wrote:
BBCһţ˵ййزģΪй½2030ʱˮԴױͻǿݽʲôġԱھͿʼӦԡҲ֪һʱһˮǮ÷չֻһ㡣йиսҪӦԡйΪʲôڻԶԶ
Very interesting. Jim Rogers (the former partner of George Soros) has been saying water will be the next hot thing. - posted on 12/17/2007
ллpepper! ΪôΪ scottrad ( http://chinese.scottrade.com/)ԸͶ߶ѡļ֣ģ
pepper wrote:
rzp wrote:
ôͶСʳ˽ƽˡǺǡ齫ȥtrader100ÿ˶һΣĽŦԼ˽ѧᣬ߶Ϊճδѧ
һ⣺йͶ߶ԣõȯļңInteractive broker (for professional), scottrad (for retail investors). - Re: 老A 老圣,这条线给你们做投资小资 :-)posted on 12/17/2007
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ҵֺרҵһҵĻʣղĶˣרҵIJʡרҵֲһĶ̬ؿֻ̣һĶֵʷݱԵǰļжϲӰ졣
ͶҲһרҵͶߵP&Lһ壬ùȥӯӰͶжϡͶ˵ΡסԿ϶ʵģһҵѡ֡ - posted on 12/17/2007
rzp wrote:
ллpepper! ΪôΪ scottrad ( http://chinese.scottrade.com/)ԸͶ߶ѡļ֣ģ
Sorry I don't know how to use chinese software, so
scottrad is for long-term investors, it changes $7 per transactions in US. It does not charge any other fees.
ameritrade is also for long-term investors. A long time ago it charges some fee if you don't trade for several months so I don't use it anymore
http://www.tdameritrade.com/welcome1.html
etrade is also for long-term investors. it is more expensive than scottrad and ameritrade.
https://us.etrade.com/e/t/home
interactive broker is for short-term traders. It changes one cent per 100 shares. However, it changes you $10 if you don't trade in a month
http://individuals.interactivebrokers.com/en/main.php
- Re: 老A 老圣,这条线给你们做投资小资 :-)posted on 12/19/2007
wrote:
ͶҲһרҵͶߵP&Lһ壬ùȥӯӰͶжϡͶ˵ΡסԿ϶ʵģһҵѡ֡
Sunds tricky to me. Really? Prefessionals don't have Ρ? - posted on 12/19/2007
abc wrote:
ѵصĻȣǵͶŶԱⲢζDzʤһսУʹȱԶսǿԼսǸơͶڲгƵֶⱣۼей˾ݣŤڼֵϤ˼õͶʼᡣ
йڼѷȫͶʾרҵ˲šЩδԼйʿǻرʱˡйĹƱгӮʱҲѾȥйгһչʱŸոտʼΪйЭᣨ TCFAĴʼ֮һҺܸ˿һʮϷչ׳һйͺ⻪רҵʿ֮ϣܹЯֲ磬ΪйҵǵĹס
ǽƽĽݣġһԡˡͬɡtradingķʽҲƫڼзհɡ
ӵģһ㳣ʶҲ˸оһԪӯһЩʮԪͺˡ˽ƽIJκ۽ϣǸо෴ǮԽԽ
Ӳ֮ĽǶȽйġе㡰ĿŵйȡĴʩϿӦ෴˽ͶʼţȫĿռ䡣ĽսһԼǵ˵ɡ
ڽײ˵һǧһ˭Ǯ˭ϴǮӲƽʧҲdz¡
- Re: 老A 老圣,这条线给你们做投资小资 :-)posted on 12/19/2007
wrote:
Sunds tricky to me. Really? Prefessionals don't have Ρ?
Say you are holding a long position of GOOG. Today's market price is $675. You know the price is going down tomorrow. Which is a better strategy: Hold the position or sell it today and buy back later?
The price you originally bought the stock, either $100 or $1000, does not matter and should not be in the equation.
- posted on 12/19/2007
wrote:
ǽƽĽݣ
Ӧġ
tradingķʽҲƫڼзհɡ
ĽʽǶģȶ֣гͨӮ䡣
ӵģһ㳣ʶҲ˸оһԪӯһЩʮԪͺˡ˽ƽIJκ۽ϣǸо෴ǮԽԽǮǮٽڶ
ƽΪгӮңһй˵ǻۣǻ۶йDZġйľԣýƽ֣ʵʵIJԲ˵
Ӳ֮ĽǶȽйġе㡰ĿŵйȡĴʩϿӦ෴˽ͶʼţȫĿռ䡣ĽսһԼǵ˵ɡ
ڽײ˵һǧһ˭Ǯ˭ϴǮӲƽʧҲdz¡
- Re: 老A 老圣,这条线给你们做投资小资 :-)posted on 12/19/2007
ʵǿ뽭ƽϴſĵģ ߾ͷѸȤĻеɷá
ƽϾǴ½ȥѧöӦúùͨ - Re: 老A 老圣,这条线给你们做投资小资 :-)posted on 12/19/2007
wrote:
Sunds tricky to me. Really? Prefessionals don't have Ρ?
ever heard of "cut your loser and rider the winer"?
hard to do, but once you do that, your return will improve. - Re: 老A 老圣,这条线给你们做投资小资 :-)posted on 12/19/2007
ֻбȽϴġӮҡٻһλҲǿƴҵġȷ˲šϴӮǮзпڲŵġƴڻֱ廪ǿȥˡ
- Re: 老A 老圣,这条线给你们做投资小资 :-)posted on 12/19/2007
ͬ⡣ 70ĩ80߿߷ֺܶȥ˿ƴ ƴƣѧͶӦơ - posted on 12/19/2007
wrote:
Say you are holding a long position of GOOG. Today's market price is $675. You know the price is going down tomorrow. Which is a better strategy: Hold the position or sell it today and buy back later?
I never in a position of "know the price is going down tomorrow", so can't cast a trading style based on this assumption. I would think few people has the "luck" to know for sure what happens tomorrow. That's why only a handful of people are rich over there.:)
If I were holding, depending on its context, I would have a hard research overnight and make an ad-hoc decision. Case-by-Case decision.
The price you originally bought the stock, either $100 or $1000, does not matter and should not be in the equation.
hum. My feeling is 1k, 1M and 1B trading would be totally different. 100 and 1000 is certainly different too, by considering the trading cost.
The extremely rational way you mentioned above will leave you on the general trend of the market, I guess. You earn avergae in a good year, but less than avergae in a bad year. Should I guess? Very few professionals can achieve the above average earning in the trading, I understood. So be a pro might not be enough? - Re: 老A 老圣,这条线给你们做投资小资 :-)posted on 12/20/2007
rzp wrote:
ֻбȽϴġӮҡٻһλҲǿƴҵġȷ˲šϴӮǮзпڲŵġƴڻֱ廪ǿȥˡ
who? - posted on 12/20/2007
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Oh my goodness. China really setup some national sovereign fund. That's a little bit too bold. - posted on 12/20/2007
һԪ㴢йȷʵһս
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Oh my goodness. China really setup some national sovereign fund. That's a little bit too bold. - posted on 12/20/2007
ɳŪܾʣǽ־ʣĽ־ǿŪʱʱITµһ꣬Ūһꡣվ˼ϼŪǵгģûվڼҲġ˵ῴɷ壬
pepper wrote:
rzp wrote:who?
ֻбȽϴġӮҡٻһλҲǿƴҵġȷ˲šϴӮǮзпڲŵġƴڻֱ廪ǿȥˡ
- posted on 12/21/2007
http://www.360doc.com/showweb/0/0/338884.aspx
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