Mayacafe 玛雅咖啡

Reply | Retro | Tags
銆愪功鍗曘€�2008 骞磋涔﹁鍒� / 2008 Cafe Reading Plan
闃垮 posted on 12/19/2007
新的一年快到了。我想建议，每个咖啡客都来推荐一本书，让大家明年有个读书单，多读书，少上网ADD。咖啡常客也好，过客也好，都来推荐。自己读过的觉得大家都应该读的也好，自己没读过但希望跟大家一起来读的也好，自己写的也好，中文英文甚至拉丁文教材也好，只要是大家能够买到或借到的就好。音乐CD也可以。电影就算了，推荐的已经很多了。

这样，我们可以组织一个2008年的咖啡读书会，也鼓励大家写读书报告。

如果实在想不出怎么推荐给大家，就推荐给我吧，把你们现在正看的书告诉我也好。年尾的时候，我都会让每个朋友推荐一本书给我的，我也因此读了一些我自己不会选的书。谢谢各位。

祝节日愉快！

====
玛雅咖啡 2008 年读书计划（咖啡客推荐）
1. The Autocrat of The Breakfast Table by Oliver Wendell Holmes (dropin)
2. 于丹《论语》心得 (abc)
3. 84, Charing Cross Road (Ruozhi)
4. Wang in Love and Bondage: Three Novellas by Wang Xiaobo (Ruozhi); 王晓波的任何书 (守望古典)
5. Prime Obsession: Bernhard Riemann and the Greatest Unsolved Problem in Mathematics by John Derbyshire (guanzhong)
6. E·B·怀特《重游缅湖》 (小蒲)
7. 陈冠学的《大地的事》(守望古典)
8. Dalva by Jim Harrison (exiula)
9. Gödel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid by Douglas Hofstadter (阿姗)
10. Sex in History by Reay Tannahill (浮生)
11. Maria Callas by Anne Edwards (rp)
12. The Book of Psalms, translated from Hebrew by Robert Alter (八十一子)
13. Ali and Nino by Kurban Said (鹿希)
14. 孟晖《花间十六声》 (鹿希)
15. La pensée sauvage 或 Triste tropique, by Claude Lévy-Strauss (鹿希)
16. 陈丹青的<纽约琐记> (阿毛)
17. Amelia's Notebook 系列 (风子)
18. 书架上的十一本书：Memoirs of a Geisha; Classic Feynman; Lady Charterley's Lover; French Lieutenant's Woman; Look Homeward, Angel; Atlas Shrugged; Don Quixote; To Kill a Mockingbird; Sophie's Choice; Portnoy's Complaint; The Brothers Karamazov (vcpp)
19. The Brethren by John Grisham (悟空)
20. 小曼的书：Travels of Marco Polo, Stalingrad, Love in the Time of Cholera, 音乐十二讲，傅雷谈音乐，爱与黑暗的故事，缅甸岁月，《读书》现场，透视的眼神，亚洲的病理，音乐课，认识电影（小曼）
21. Thirteenth Tale by Diane Setterfield, 《第13個故事》黛安・賽特菲爾德，呂玉嬋譯 (librarymatters)
22. The Other Side of the Bridge by Mary Lawson (moab)
23. Touching the Void by Joe Simpson (moab)
24. 蒋勋的《孤独六讲》(小雨)
25. A Thousand Spendid Suns by Khaled Hosseini (rzp)
26. Conversation with God by Neale Donald Walsch (玛雅)
27. 章诒和的《往事并不如烟》 (lucy)
28. The Glass Castle: A Memoir; The Prize Winner of Defiance, Ohio: How My Mother Raised 10 Kids on 25 words or Less; Greenspan's Bubbles: The Age of Ignorance at the Federal Reserve; Blood Work; 北方人的巴赫; the Harry Potter books read by Jim Dale; Brother Ray: Ray Charles' Own Story (audio book) (xyz)
推荐音乐：
1. 苏州评弹，名家早期录音 (朱老剑客)
2. 斯托科夫斯基作品集 (朱老剑客)
第二批推荐书目：
1. 陈丹青的《音乐笔记》(守望古典)
2. 陈丹青的《多余的素材》(守望古典)
3. 李零的<丧家犬> (abc)
4. Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry (阿姗)
5. 儿童的书：Are You There God? It's Me, Margaret by Judy Blume; John Bellairs's Mystery series; Once Upon a Marigold by Jean Ferris; A corner of the universe by Ann M. Martin; A single shard by Linda Sue. Park; Read All About It!: Great Read-Aloud Stories, Poems, and Newspaper Pieces for Preteens and Teens by Jim Trelease (rzp)
6. Darkness Visible: A Memoir of Madness by William Styron (rzp)

Reply | Tags
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁�
#1 dropin posted on 12/19/2007

阿姗 wrote:
新的一年快到了。我想建议，每个咖啡客都来推荐一本书，让大家明年有个读书单，多读书，少上网ADD。咖啡常客也好，过客也好，都来推荐。

在看the Autocrat of The Breakfast Table (早餐桌上的霸王), Oliver Wendell Holmes(1809-1894),
一本无比风趣而认真的对话体的书, Holmes在餐桌上谈笑间罢黜百家, 最后赢得美人归^^" 十分理想的精神状态("the classical republican ideal of civic virtue")以及这种精神状态指引下的现实幸福归宿.

excerpt 为证：

1. "a nice young man"
I try his head occasionally as housewives try eggs, give it an intellectual shake, and hold it up to the light, so to speak, to see if it has life in it, actual or potential, or only contains lifeless albumen.

2. "The three Johns and the three peaches"--

I think, I said, I can make it plain to Benjamin Franklin here that there are at least 6 personalities distinctly to be recognised as taking part in that dialogue between John and Thomas:

Three Johns:
a. The real John, known only to his maker
b.John's ideal John; never the real one, and often very unlike him
c.Thomas's ideal John; never the real John, nor John's John, but often very unlike either

Three Thomases:
a. The real Thomas
b.Thomas' ideal Thomas
c.John's ideal Thomas

Only one of the three Johns is taxed; only one can be weigned on a platform balance; but the other two are just as important in the conversation. Let us suppose that the real John to be old, dull and ill-looking. But as the Higher Powers have not conferred on men the gift of seeing themselves in the true light, John very possibly conceives himself to be youthful,witty and fascinating, and talk from the point of view of this ideal. Thomas, again, believes him to be an artful rogue, we will say; therefore he is,so far as Thomas' attitude in the conversation is concerned, an artful rogue, though really simple and stupid. The same conditions apply to the three Thomases. It follows, that until a man can be found who knows himself as his Maker knows him, or who sees himself as others see him, there must be at least 6 persons engaged in every dialogue between the two. Of these, the least important, philosophically speaking, is the one that we have called the real person. No wonder two disputants often get angry, when there are six of them talking and listening all the same time.
[ A very unphilosophical application of the above remarks was made by a young fellow, answering to the name of John, who sits near me at the table. A certain basket of peaches, a rare vegetable, little known to boarding-houses, was on its way to me via this unlettered Johnnes. He appropriated the three that remained in the basket, remarking that there was just one piece for him. I convinced him that his practical inference was hasty and illogical, but in the meantime he had eaten the peaches.]

3.Should the power of making analogies and similitudes be called a miraculous gift?

If all that poetry has dreamed, all that insanity has raved, all that maddening narcotics have driven through the brains of men, or smothered passion nursed in the fancies of women-if the dreams of colleges and convents and boarding schools-if every human feeling that sighs ,smiles, or curses, or shrieks, or groans, should bring all the innumerable images, such as come with every hurried heart-beat, the epic which hold them all, though its letters filled the zodiac, would be but a cupful t the ocean of similitudes and analogies that rolls through the universe.

4.My last walk with the schoolmistress
The schoolmistress had tried life, too. Once in a while one meets with a single soul greater than all the living pageant that passes before it. As the pale astronomer sits in his study with sunken eyes and thin fingers, and weighs Uranus or Neptune as in a balance, so there are meek, slight women who have weighed all that this planetary life can offer, hold it like a bauble in the palm of their slender hands. This was one of them. Fortune had left her, sorrow had baptized her; the routine of labour and the loneliness of almost friendless city life were before her. Yet, as I looked upon her tranquil face, gradually regaining a cheerfulness which was often sprightly, as she became interested in the various matters we talk about and places we visited, I saw that eye and lip and every shifting lineament were made for love--unconscious of their sweet office as yet, and meeting the cold aspect of Duty with the natural graces which were meant for the reward of nothing less than the Great Passion.

Reply
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁�
#2 abc posted on 12/19/2007

特别给阿姗姐姐的新年建议，读于丹姐姐的《论语》心得。：）

阿姗 wrote:
新的一年快到了。我想建议，每个咖啡客都来推荐一本书，让大家明年有个读书单，多读书，少上网ADD。

Reply
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁�
#3 Ruozhi posted on 12/19/2007

阿珊好建议, 推荐一本84, Charing Cross Road. 书很薄, 好读, 好像还有一个电影.

Reply | Tags
Re: Wang in Love and Bondage (鐜嬩簩鐨勭埍娆叉灧閿�)
#4 Ruozhi posted on 12/19/2007

再推荐王小波英译. 是一本不可不读的好书, 有研究王小波的专家Wendy Larson最近的书评为证. :-)

Wang in Love and Bondage:
Three Novellas by Wang Xiaobo

Translated by Hongling Zhang and Jason Sommer

Reviewed by Wendy Larson

"My uncle's crime was just a misdemeanor, but it really got on people's nerves," writes Wang Xiaobo 王小波 in 2015 (part of the long novel The Silver Age 白银时代), the first of three novellas translated by Hongling Zhang and Jason Sommer in Wang in Love and Bondage . The title 2015 refers to a future when artists cannot paint without a permit and will not get a permit unless their paintings make sense. Wang explains: "This was because his paintings, with their riot of color, made no sense to anyone, and no one could tell what his paintings were about. Once, I saw a policeman hold up a painting and bawl at him sternly, Young fellow—stand up and tell me—what is this? If you can tell me what it means, I'll squat there instead of you! My uncle turned and looked at his own work, then squatted down again, saying, I don't know what it is either. I'd better do my own squatting" (4-5).

Squatting turns out to be an important symbolic act in the fiction of Wang Xiaobo (1952-97), which has become something of a phenomenon in contemporary China, especially among intellectuals. Now three novellas from Wang's widely debated fictional oeuvre are available in English for the first time. While Wang initially published stories in 1980, he did not become famous until his novella The Golden Age (黄金时代, also called The Golden Years) received a prestigious award in Taiwan in 1995. From 1968 to 1970, in the middle of the Cultural Revolution, Wang—like many of his ubiquitous Wang Er (Wang No. 2) characters—spent two years in the southern province of Yunnan, laboring to learn (or learning to labor) from the masses. After returning to Beijing, he worked in a factory for four years before becoming a student at Renmin University, where he studied commerce and trade from 1978 to 1982. He taught for two years and then continued his studies at the University of Pittsburgh, where he received an M.A. degree from the Department of East Asian Studies. Wang was a lecturer in the Beijing University Department of Sociology from 1988 to 1991, after which he became a full-time writer. He had only six years left to devote to writing before he succumbed to a heart attack in 1997.

Zhang and Sommer begin with a useful short introduction contextualizing Wang's life and work. Among other things, they mention the Wang Xiaobo exhibition held at the Lu Xun Museum in 2005 (fig. 1), evidence that his reputation as a writer continues to improve and that some, such as his wife (Beijing University professor of sociology Li Yinhe 李银和), who helped organize the exhibit, seek to help it improve. Zhang and Sommer also bring up several biographical details that are useful to know in reading his fiction: he was a fan of Mark Twain, his brother has a Ph.D. in philosophy from Tulane, and his father was a well-known logician. They also provide some excellent general interpretive comments: that Wang persistently refuses to portray intellectuals who went through the Cultural Revolution as "tragic heroes" (xi), that many of Wang's stories have to do with the "play of dominance and submission" (xiii), and that Wang's style is what distinguishes his work. Unfortunately, they indulge in some clichés with comments such as "Well, it is love that is the true sin, the thing that ultimately makes the authorities aghast, which leads us to conclude, following the trail of the irony, that what the authorities most fear, noted so clearly by the narrator, the author most values" (xiii). The elevation of love as a supreme value is not, in my opinion, one of the many subtle and fascinating points that Wang makes through his choice of style, theme, and topic.

Nonetheless, Wang Xiaobo does to some extent deploy an "against the state" approach, although his focus is not truly on resistance. This is apparent in the second of the three novellas,The Golden Age, which is generally thought to be Wang's masterpiece. This 1994 work has struck many with its unorthodox treatment of sexual desire and relations, and critics gush about the experience of reading it. The Golden Age is about the relationship between Wang Er, here age 21, and Chen Qingyang, a 26-year old married female doctor. Since the novella is set during the Cultural Revolution, both are "sent-down youth" who have taken up Mao Zedong's call for young urbanites to haul themselves down to the countryside and work with the People. Their crime of illicit sexual relations results in the usual socialist punishments of public denouncement, forced self-criticism, and general social scorn, but these violent strategies of control somehow fail to take center stage in this parodic tale of black humor. Officials more interested in reading Wang's lurid self-confessions than in reforming him urge the couple to hole up in a hotel and keep working on the narratives so they will have something to read the next day. Despite the constant interest of the characters in sexual intercourse, one thing we do not see in The Golden Age is deep sexual obsession or the debilitating, fanatical emotions of love. Told by a much older narrator who has the benefit that ageing confers, the emphasis is more on a gentle, philosophical, meandering irony than on resistance to the state, even in a very personal form.

The third story was originally called “Sentiments Like Water" (似水柔情), but because it was made into the much better known film, East Palace, West Palace (东宫西宫), the translators have chosen the film title for the story. The plot centers on a homosexual relationship between a man and a young policeman, both of whom are married. Playing off the research Wang did with his wife Li Yinhe in their book on male homosexuals in China entitled Their World: A Study of the Male Homosexual Community in China (他们的世界—中国男同性恋群落透视), this fictional tale centers on emotional displays of power, submission, and domination. This presentation of homosexual relationships may strike Americans as based on stereotypes, but Wang hits home with his straightforward description of the persecution suffered by homosexuals in China:

Xiao Shi ordered Ah-Lan to squat at the base of the wall. Squatting on his left was an art professor, and on his right a construction worker, three of them altogether…The rule here was to make them take the lowest squatting position…They were made to squat this way so they could think about their errors, but normal people would only think about shitting while squatting like this. That was how the nature of their errors could be determined—their errors were very dirty, and other ways of squatting didn't represent that degree of dirtiness, didn't suit the nature of their errors, and so were forbidden. (124)

Although Wang often writes about love and sex, he frequently sets his stories during the ten years of the Cultural Revolution, from 1966 to 1976, when writing about physical intimacy was virtually forbidden. Yet even during the time when Wang was publishing, statements against overly energetic, invasive state control (including those that do not focus on resistance) had been common in China for years, and this anti-state perspective alone cannot account for the enthusiasm that readers feel for Wang's writing. While Chinese readers often praise Wang's anti-revolutionary ethos, they also fondly note the sheer reading pleasure that Wang's fiction provides. "Reading [his work] intoxicates us, giving a totally new experience of humor and wisdom. We don't need to keep looking for the implied meaning at all," comments Ai Xiaoming, a professor at Sun Yat-sen University and one of Wang's most persistent fans.[1] Others agree. It is remarkable to find that literary intellectuals, whose profession undeniably rests upon analysis and interpretation, deny that Wang's work needs to be analyzed at all, that its meaning can be best apprehended Daoist-like, through direct apprehension. Some appreciate his sexual honesty, his straightforward description of male and female sexual pleasure, and his elegantly simple language—which the translators have captured very well. Also important are the personal characteristics of Wang's protagonists: their completely non-ideological sense of reality, privileging of bodily desires, and subtly humorous perspective.

More important, Wang's fiction offers a deep critique of the Chinese past in its sense of time, softening the revolutionary time of political movements, with their characteristic expressions of passionate loyalty and historical innocence. His writing eats away at the immediacy, deeply held emotion, clear-cut expression of position, optimism, and drive toward progress that make up the revolutionary spirit. This more philosophical time combines with a quiet immediacy in the sexual encounters he portrays to produce a profoundly non-revolutionary sense of life and consciousness. As critic Yang Jian states, "It is difficult to imagine that someone like Wang Xiaobo could appear from inside Chinese culture."[2] Wang Xiaobo's characters often express a common mind-set: an unwillingness to directly confront opposition but a stubborn persistence in gaining the objects of their own desire, an attitude that pays respect to high moral qualities such as loyalty but also conveys a mildly rebellious hoodlum spirit. This hoodlum tendency, like the revolutionary spirit it seeks to disavow, may come from what went before and yet also carves a path forward. In this way, Wang injects an unsavory history with irony, lifting the burden of the past.

The translation by Zhang and Sommer is excellent. It both expresses the meaning of the original and also catches the simple, colloquial, and direct language that is Wang Xiaobo's trademark. His gentle mocking of the language of logic in The Golden Age, the charm he extracts through his concrete scene description in 2015, and the abbreviated vernacular in East Palace,West Palace all come through in the joint translation between a poet (who, I assume, does not understand Chinese), and a literature teacher (who clearly does), both of whom work at Fontbonne University. By translating Wang's work, they have provided a service to all of us who teach modern Chinese literature. Because the Chinese original is easy to read, and because the translators have captured this simple yet profound style, the book should be a welcome addition to modern literature courses in translation. I congratulate them on their effort and results.

Wendy Larson
University of Oregon

Reply
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁�
#5 abc posted on 12/19/2007

弱智MM, 能把你肚子笑疼我真的很开心。我因为ADD才上网，上网的唯一目的就是找一些有乐趣却没有意义的事。把你肚子笑疼很符合这个标准。如果你想有意义我还不干呢。

哈哈。：）

Ruozhi wrote:
abc, 你把我肚子笑疼. :-) 看来你对咖啡里的每位姐姐都很深情. :-)

Reply
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁�
#6 椋庡瓙 posted on 12/19/2007

Good suggestions and interesting follow-ups.

Reply
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁�
#7 灏忔浖 posted on 12/19/2007

姗姗好建议，我先去翻翻书，回头一定给你推荐一本。：）

新年快乐！

Reply
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁�
#8 guanzhong posted on 12/19/2007

Prime Obsession: Bernhard Riemann and the Greatest Unsolved Problem in Mathematics

by John Derbyshire

http://www.olimu.com/Riemann/Riemann.htm
A nice combination of math and math history, similar to
Fermat's Last Theorem by Simon Singh.
I bought it a long time ago, finally got a chance to read it on the plane, marvelous book!

Reply
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁�
#9 灏忚挷 posted on 12/19/2007

我也凑热闹：）

E·B·怀特《重游缅湖》

Reply
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁�
#10 瀹堟湜鍙ゅ吀 posted on 12/19/2007

阿珊好建议！
不过，我觉得一本似乎不够。因为我不知道别人，我读书其实也很ADD，除非有《霍乱时期爱情》这样的书拽着往下，否则，我一般都是好几本同时读。如果只能推荐一本，我推荐台湾人陈冠学的《大地的事》。
王小波的任何书都值得一读再读。

Reply
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁�
#11 exiula posted on 12/19/2007

看了不少Jim Harrison的书，最喜欢他的“Dalva ”
有人说他的书是对美国近代史的概括，也有人说他可以和海明威相比较。。。

这里有对他的介绍：http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Harrison

Reply | Tags
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁�
#12 闃垮 posted on 12/19/2007

先谢谢大家的积极参与。一下子就有这么多书了。我以为自己看书很杂，其实我看的多数是英美经典小说，当代作品和非小说看得太少了，所以要请朋友推荐。回守望古典，我们每个人推荐一本，放在一起就很多本，不是吗？如果你认为几本书要放在一起读（就是 How to Read a Book 里讲的最高级读书法 syntopical reading），当然也可以推荐啦。你要有更多的书推荐，还有明年呢。

我自己还没有想好，不过我最近又把 GEB 拿起来读了。我试尝读过两次了，九年前第一次读了上部的一半，两年前第二次读到下部的开始，这次我决心把最后的几百页读完。每天最多只能读十几页，慢着呢。不过这本书，每次读我都觉得很好很好，内容丰富，深入浅出，整体结构严谨，又不失生动和风趣，而且书本制作精致。这本书在咖啡里已经讨论过几次，我就不在这里介绍了。

http://www.mayacafe.com/forum/topic1sp.php3?tkey=1123614634 http://www.mayacafe.com/forum/topic1sp.php3?tkey=1132446853 http://www.mayacafe.com/forum/topic1sp.php3?tkey=1125751802
希望看到更多的朋友来参与我们的读书推荐计划。

Reply
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁�
#13 娴敓 posted on 12/19/2007

响应号召，那我就推荐正读了一半的 Reay Tannahill 的《Sex in History》吧，witty and informing，还适合ADD的读者。

我想看看Anais Nin的日记，但是有很多本，谁给推荐其中一本吧？

Reply
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁�
#14 vp posted on 12/19/2007

Anne Edwards写的人物传记“Maria Callas“
ISBN 0－312－26986－2

阿珊喜欢那些希腊戏剧吗？喜欢歌剧吗？Anne Edwards写的人物传记“Maria Callas“也许值得一读，书本身，还行，但最好是用零碎时间，拖长时间“瞎看“，同时结合着读欧里庇得斯的〈〈美狄亚〉〉）Euripides “Medea")等跟Callas演过的角色有关的东西。另外就是结合着看她演过的那几部歌剧，Norma, Tosca 什么的。对了，Callas虽说是演歌剧的，但是拍过Media的电影，值得看，可惜被当作资料片，不一定能找到，可以在大学图书馆试试。

Reply | Tags
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁�
#15 rp posted on 12/19/2007

得，自己的名字和阿姗的名字全错了。是rp，不是vp

vp wrote:
Anne Edwards写的人物传记“Maria Callas“
ISBN 0－312－26986－2
阿珊喜欢那些希腊戏剧吗？喜欢歌剧吗？Anne Edwards写的人物传记“Maria Callas“也许值得一读，书本身，还行，但最好是用零碎时间，拖长时间“瞎看“，同时结合着读欧里庇得斯的〈〈美狄亚〉〉）Euripides “Medea")等跟Callas演过的角色有关的东西。另外就是结合着看她演过的那几部歌剧，Norma, Tosca 什么的。对了，Callas虽说是演歌剧的，但是拍过Media的电影，值得看，可惜被当作资料片，不一定能找到，可以在大学图书馆试试。

Reply
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁�
#16 鍏崄涓€瀛� posted on 12/19/2007

The Book of Psalms, translated from Hebrew by Robert Alter. 我们几个月前讨论过，这本书对三千年前的旧约诗篇重新做了英文翻译和解说，尽可能地忠实于原文，改正了英国国王詹姆斯的1611年圣经版本里的很多谬误和附加概念，其中涉及到一些重要的神学概念，包括灵魂，拯救，魔鬼，永恒，等等。这些概念并不存在于希伯来语旧约诗篇里。

我是个atheist, 但我认为这本书可以放在床头，偶尔读一两首。

Reply
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁�
#17 闃垮 posted on 12/20/2007

浮生 wrote:
我想看看Anais Nin的日记，但是有很多本，谁给推荐其中一本吧？

看过几本 Anais Nin，但是日记没看过，我觉得可能跟 Henry & June 差不多，至少早期的。玛雅会不会知道？她还拿了我的两本 Nin 的书呢。

Reply
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁�
#18 lucy posted on 12/20/2007

阿姗好主意！谢谢！

请查QQH

Reply
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁�
#19 楣垮笇 posted on 12/20/2007

阿姗的主意好，让我们都好好学习，才能天天向上。
我拟先补作业，从最容易的开始:
1. Ali and Nino, by Kurban Said,
2. 日前回家购得一本趣书，《花间十六声》孟晖著（估计咖啡考据家浮生MM会喜欢），
3. La pensée sauvage 或 Triste tropique, by Claude Lévy-Strauss (属无考试要求的自觉复习）。

咱宽人待己，一年三本，多乎哉，不多也。

Reply
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁�
#20 闃挎瘺 posted on 12/20/2007

刚买了陈丹青的<纽约琐记>, 还没开读, 应该不错, 他自谦是近几年出的三五本书中尚可读的. 是修定版, 增添了大量图片.

Reply | Tags
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁�
#21 Susan posted on 12/21/2007

GEB has been on and off my reading list for awhile, my concern is: how well do I have to know about Bach’s music to be able to benefit from this book? What is the “minimum requirement”? ;)

阿姗 wrote:
我自己还没有想好，不过我最近又把 GEB 拿起来读了。我试尝读过两次了，九年前第一次读了上部的一半，两年前第二次读到下部的开始，这次我决心把最后的几百页读完。每天最多只能读十几页，慢着呢。不过这本书，每次读我都觉得很好很好，内容丰富，深入浅出，整体结构严谨，又不失生动和风趣，而且书本制作精致。这本书在咖啡里已经讨论过几次，我就不在这里介绍了。
http://www.mayacafe.com/forum/topic1sp.php3?tkey=1123614634 http://www.mayacafe.com/forum/topic1sp.php3?tkey=1132446853 http://www.mayacafe.com/forum/topic1sp.php3?tkey=1125751802 希望看到更多的朋友来参与我们的读书推荐计划。

Reply | Tags
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁�
#22 闃垮 posted on 12/21/2007

鹿希ＭＭ，我是想让大家互相推荐好书，你怎么自己给自己推荐了三本？:)

Susan MM, I don't think you need to know a lot about Bach to benefit from this book. This book is not about Bach or Escher, but more about Godel's theorem and its implications and applications. There's a lot of math (number theory, logic) and computer science, but nothing too difficult, because the author wants us to understand the relationships between various subjects. Bach and Escher are merely the theorem's reflections in music and art. I don't know much about some of the topics (right now I am reading the part about DNA), but I can still learn from the book. You should give it a try. The minimum requirements are English reading skills, a sharp mind, and perhaps some ADD, all of which you have plenty. (But maybe this book is a 见仁见智 book, and different people read it differently. Who knows?)

想等着绿茶 MM 来推荐 Kite Runner，因为今天刚买了一本回来。

Reply | Tags
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁�
#23 guanzhong posted on 12/21/2007

The main point of the book is neither Bach nor Escher, it is Godel's incompleteness theorem. So you can still benefit a lot from the book as far as this main point is concerned, even if you, like me, have no appreciation of Bach's music at all. Sorry that I may have offended quite some people here who are either Bach's experts or his fans. :-)

Susan wrote:
GEB has been on and off my reading list for awhile, my concern is: how well do I have to know about Bach’s music to be able to benefit from this book? What is the “minimum requirement”? ;)

Reply
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁� / 2008 骞磋涔﹁鍒�
#24 椋庡瓙 posted on 12/21/2007

Amelia's Notebook 系列。给自己曾是、正在是女孩或已有女孩的人读。

Reply
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁�
#25 楣垮笇 posted on 12/21/2007

阿姗 wrote:
鹿希ＭＭ，我是想让大家互相推荐好书，你怎么自己给自己推荐了三本？:)

阿姗同学，对不起，犯了抢答不看题的毛病，还以为争先进举手呢，生怕被拉下。:) 随便挑一本吧。

Reply
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁� / 2008 骞磋涔﹁鍒�
#26 vcpp posted on 12/21/2007

The books on my wish list are here.
The book close to the top is "Classic Feynman"
Other books that are not clearly shown are:

Lady Charterley's Lover;
Sophie's Choice

Reply
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁� / 2008 骞磋涔﹁鍒�
#27 Susan posted on 12/22/2007

谢阿姗和GuanZhong, 明年我就GEB了！

Reply
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁� / 2008 骞磋涔﹁鍒�
#28 闃垮 posted on 12/22/2007

哈哈，咱们读的书都差不多。你这11本书，我书架上有8本，看过4本。你推荐这么老些书呀？

vcpp wrote:
The books on my wish list are here.

Reply | Tags
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁� / 2008 骞磋涔﹁鍒�
#29 鎮熺┖ posted on 12/22/2007

响应阿姗，推荐一本书：

The Brethren, by John Grisham

我读过的Grisham的几部小说，个人感觉这本是最好的。小说主要描写中央情报局怎样以维护国家安全为名，一手操纵了一场总统大选。情节虽然纯属虚构，但是对美国选举政治、司法制度有相当的认知价值。作者本人曾经从事政治，所以对美国政治inner working的描写，也相当生动。

小说中刻划得最成功的人物，是落魄律师Trevor。另外，那个阴险狡诈、深藏不露的中央情报局局长Teddy Maynard，塑造得也很成功。

小说对美国的同性恋文化及其影响，也有所揭示。

推荐指数（４／５）

Disclaimer: Grisham's novels are by and large "low brow". Therefore, "high brow" readers should by all means avoid Grisham. :-)

Reply
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁� / 2008 骞磋涔﹁鍒�
#30 闃垮 posted on 01/23/2008

昨天终于读完 GEB 了。今天在图书馆见到一本 Dalva，才五毛钱，买了下来。上星期在旧书店见到 Brethren，但要五块钱，没买，看了封底的情节介绍，挺吸引人的。

Reply
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁� / 2008 骞磋涔﹁鍒�
#31 xiaoman posted on 01/23/2008

哈哈，今天才看到悟空的推荐。这个作家是美国的畅销小说作家里我最熟悉的，我看过几本他的小说，其它都好看，偏偏是你推荐这本，我没有坚持看下去，但里面那个写信勒索同性恋者的情节挺有意思的。：））

Reply
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁� / 2008 骞磋涔﹁鍒�
#32 xiaoman posted on 01/23/2008

餐桌上的书。

今年上半年的书单，但愿能按时完成。

那本斯大林格勒，早买了，一直没空看。

Reply
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁�
#33 瀹堟湜鍙ゅ吀 posted on 01/23/2008

阿毛 wrote:
刚买了陈丹青的<纽约琐记>, 还没开读, 应该不错, 他自谦是近几年出的三五本书中尚可读的. 是修定版, 增添了大量图片.

这本书非常好。陈丹青的《音乐笔记》也不错。《多余的素材》有少量篇章嫌重复。总的来说，我觉得还是《纽约琐记》最好

Reply
Re: 缁欏挅鍟″鐨勬柊骞村缓璁�
#34 abc posted on 01/23/2008

读书是我很重要的爱好，也是我阿Q精神的支柱。我一般是见到还入眼的书就买，然后回家看，好看就看，不好看就扔，决不姑息。

所以我买的书很杂很杂，看的书比较杂，思想也比较杂，杂乱无章。

Please paste HTML code and press Enter.

闃垮
#1 dropin
#2 abc
#3 Ruozhi
#4 Ruozhi
#5 abc
#6 椋庡瓙
#7 灏忔浖
#8 guanzhong
#9 灏忚挷
#10 瀹堟湜鍙ゅ吀
#11 exiula
#12 闃垮
#13 娴敓
#14 vp
#15 rp
#16 鍏崄涓€瀛�
#17 闃垮
#18 lucy
#19 楣垮笇
#20 闃挎瘺
#21 Susan
#22 闃垮
#23 guanzhong
#24 椋庡瓙
#25 楣垮笇
#26 vcpp
#27 Susan
#28 闃垮
#29 鎮熺┖
#30 闃垮
#31 xiaoman
#32 xiaoman
#33 瀹堟湜鍙ゅ吀
#34 abc