- ٩64ʱ
ϸ£й硰ɽв˳ɧһʱ䡣ڷġţˡԨڡеĵԣƬϺȻӡǩʮʫӢΨһˡ ֮£һȵǩԵá̱áˣƽʡںӢ˫﹤С顱Ǹǩ꼻һ֡ȻҲȷʵţʱȫġʮȫġʦȽʧijﻹࡣΪڼġװװӢģNot to powder the face, but to face the powder. ƾһ㣬㲻治С
ʱ͡American idolʱκ££ҪıΣвС˵ϳһЩСһЩҵС̶ʵڴ£ߵˮƽߡ֪ϻҲдʱͨΪǧǣһʧǧǣһá⣬дĸĵľ̬ҲΪͬȸʱܷɵñȺߣʵDzֵôСֵġ
һ棬ˣ족ЩëСˮƽҲܸܺߡȥڹӢĿƼдݽʱٹCND̳ϲԻӡľӺ֮ӢдԲǮ֮Ǯд־ӢţҲſڿӡǷӣӢľѵԹڲٴʦġ
֮ѣڶ˫Ҫ֮ߡǵJacques Barzun & Henry Graff ڡThe Modern Researcherһ˵one can translate faithfully only from a language one knows like a native into a language one knows like a practiced writer.(һֻܰѶĸʵطҵ)һҶԼȥЩֱģʲôʲӡ˫﹤
죬ɿڷE. B. WhiteġҪ塷顱һģλӢԭģǶģ
Vigorous writing is concise. A sentence should contain no unnecessary words, a paragraph no unnecessary sentences, for the same reason that a drawing should have no unnecessary lines and a machine no unnecessary parts. This requires not that the writer make all his sentences short, or that he avoid all detail and treat his subjects only in outline, but that every word tell.
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¶Ǽġһ֮вӦжĴһ֮вӦжľӣһвӦжıīһӦжIJһⲢҪ߰ÿӶдụ́ܶҲҪʱɾȥһϸڣֻ¸ҪÿֶҪá
ҲðҲһ£ЦCND̳֮
ֶǼġӦߴʣӦ䣬续ӦӦಿһⲢҪ߾д̣ȥϸڣֻĹҪ֮
- 守望古典
С˵ʦǷҡţҾãֻ˫㹤˲ܴͨԵ硣
- 令胡冲
ж٩64ˣⲻ٩к٩:)
ӵӢҵǺܳɫǺڵġֻûв㣬Ҫûӽܶ (Ӣϵ)һdzģ˴ſһ˳һ˳ĸĴ־ˡѾͷȥҲ˲١˭֪
ҲҧĽóЩҡٴɣƽ֣һ㡣 - xw
һֱҳƵԨģϧûԵʡ
ͨͨҲ֪˫ĸϵһʱΪ
ڷ롣Ȼָķ롣
ֻһվdzӢģһεȾ
ˡģһԱȹϣ˼άĸ߶Ȳ˼顣
ֻһڴתתվDzеģ
LUPUS ET AGNUS
Vobis fabulam de lupo et agno narrabo. Haec est fibula Aeso - 令胡冲
Sounds impeccable. :)
Ӣĺĸɻĸߣ:)) - xw
ȲԲߡ - 令胡冲
Ƿʵ壬Ǹɡ:)
Ŀǰ˵Ӣģû˵ģĺƥаɡ:) - xw
Ȼʵ塣ͨݳѷһﺣѡʹ
ǺҲViking(Dano)Ķ֡
VulgateǡҵΣͲһˡ
Romani pro suffragiis populi ludos faciebant et magnam opulentiam
ostentare volebant.
et:
Deus tamen, creator terrae caelique hominumque bestiarumque,
semper nos omnes curat.
˶˵ӢӢ˵ɸ߸ - touche
ֻһ仰
Vigorous writing is touche. ;)
Vigorous writing is to circumcise. A sentence should contain no words, a paragraph no sentences, for the same reason that a drawing should have no lines and a machine no parts. This requires not that the writer make all his hairs short, or that he avoid all detail and treat his head only in outline, but that every hair tell.
- 令胡冲
еXWᡣ:)
- liaokang
ҵʱ̷ѡѧʲôҵҪ̳治ס
ˣڿһƪдʫ跭ơҰ꣬õͬ⣬塣
- LM
ûѧ˵ѵdzЧ
- touche
ȷʵվʹ̫ΧƵתŮȶdzЧ
- xw
ڸһϯ̸ڸһƬ֤ʲô
ĩˣ˵Ūϣô죿
һҲ뵽֮ĶԻׯУ
ң·ıԻ֮ʷߣ
ӣ飬ɡԻơ
Ƿʮ˵˵ԻáԸҪ
ԻҪ塣Ի - LM
xwһֻб칧 :)
- 鹿希
ͬͬ⡣õķijϽҪĸҪã˵Ļдֲ˿Ǻѧʽĺʽ - lucy
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- July
I want to read ٩1-63) - shangnengfan
July: you've broken my heart--you haven't read them yet?:)
- shangnengfan
Thank you very much for your kind words--and the card!:)
- July
I want you post all of them in cafe :-)
- 八十一子
ܲϣڷϸӽԭġ
- 老瓦
еڹķ롣˳κϺޱС㣬һ˼⣺
˵ԼеĶʮԭTop 5 㣬С˵㣬ûûν
- 浮生
xwָĺȸ߶ȵָԱôԱȽ֮´ݵʷѶϢ
ԱȻиôʲôDZľȷʹõķΧ˵Ǽ侫ȷģҲֻijΪϵ˵vernacular Latin˵ֻڽáֻҪʹþҪѽԵףôȸ£ - touche
ֲŮ
- liaokang
渡ʱǰˣʲôܲ鵽Ҳˡ - xw
ToucheҪ˵Ĺ硣һ븡һʱˣ
еһߣҲһߴ
ͳһThe United States Constitution
Preamble
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselv - touche
ˣٶǰˡ˵Ҳдa more perfect Union , it is either perfect or it isn't. You don't say I am more one hundred percent right. Right?
- 尚能饭
Yes and no.:) The following is from an article I published a few years ago, in case you'd care:
Unique (and other absolute terms such as chief, complete, perfect, prime, circular, equal, parallel, perpendicular and so on) cannot be compared, as by more or most or used with an intensive modifier such as very, so, or quite. κι, 磺
֮ (the f - touche
Yes and yes. ;) You know who brought this up? It was E. B. White. Founding fathers blurted too. But I guess it was more natural sounding at that time.
- xw
λԹЩֻ߷ѽ
õǣӢأҪйʲô
壬ֻϲϲûɡ
˵Ҳû˵ʫѽо仰
EGO SUM REX ROMANUS ET SUPER GRAMMATICAM.
(Լ)
˵һֱôظһǹ
ضˣеˣͲò
һ - 令胡冲
Latin recorded some Greece and Roman spirit, the more perfect side of the legend. :) We have to be with XW on this point.
As for Latin is hence higher and deeper than English or any other modern languages, well, as we say everyday, don't try a step further beyond the truth - that can be nothing but a lie. :) I trust we would confuse ourselves if we read a little bit further than those that we - 令胡冲
Grammar doesn't matter too much here. English can't speak none-English just as much as we can't speak wrong Chinese (or can we? :) ). What we speak is called Chinese, and they English. :) - 浮生
ôǵõǺǹѽضٲ£㲻ߣҿɾͽŰ
ʵûз硣ܷ˵IJӢӢԨԴ
³ѷȡӢԣ theofƵʸߵСʾ˵ǵص(Brittonic?)ģֻʮĸ϶˵ԭֻЩʰɣ
ȻڵӢԼGermanic language - liaokang
˵ǡӢѾԶԶƷҲġֱ˵Ǹӣķ˹κһԶͬıDZеûӳᡢʷԭԱ - zxd
ò˻ˣǰ۲ʶĵͳͳɣ
ãҪ֮еˣֽáͿˣֳԡ
ʵE. B. WhiteλҲµģû˵Ķϵ˼ϵĶࡣҲûָüЩϸڡЩԲҪҿӵĻ滭ϸھЩࡣͲáȻһ۾ͿǷԭġ - 八十一子
Dzʲôˣ :-)
취Ŷǡ:-)
ӽУͲׯ - 尚能饭
ʦ˵úãE.B. White Wm.StrunkǶλвͼͻıǵҪҲCNDҲ˳Ĺ۵㣬ĻЦ
I beg to disagree. This quotation of William Strunks is a good piece of rhetorical exposition. For the same reasonrefers to concise, and thus no inherited logic flaw exists here whatsoever. Of course, a machine with no unnece - 尚能饭
лүûУҡһѱ˼Ҿ˴߲嵶һ¡
⣬integrityǷɡءģѧ쵼ͬ־Ǿø̫šҹСԼ׳ɡġšֻ˳ǡжദһǷɲصġ - zxd
How could integrity become ? ءis much closer, I think, although still not right. means trust worthy.
I am not good at translation at all. When I was a teenager I could still translate some simple sentenses. After I became capable of thinking in English, I could hardly be capable of translating even a single sentence. But, just as you said early, it is much easier to find faults - guanzhong
...
ǡѧ쵼ͬ־ǡˡں棬ղŲһ google ķ룬ȻҲǡšĪ google Ҳǡѧ硱ģʵƷ£ƷУ𣿲Уе̫ˡ - touche
ʵﱾ˾дëƤɯʿ - touche
̵δغãһ
Short writing can be bad, long ones are.
Brief enough?
- touche
integrityֱԭ˼ӴԴintegerintegrate Ըһʾ - 守望古典
̫ͬˡһɢļ𡣱˻˼ҲдЩdzõɢģϧɰ̫࣬ǵôòۡ˵ǧʵֱյʮ֮žͺˡ
- zxd
еƿɡ֪һ䲻⣬պ͡šֱԳΪıķӢȥԽӢ˵ΧintegrityдģЦŹ֡
- zxd
ǰͦãеԡһȷһһӢУǸ취ȣ˵ɣһ֪Ӣ֮ͬģԸĽ
- touche
Ȼи©ûϸһҲ⣬ΪеĶҲ
ֱһ£
̵δغãһ
Short writing is not necessarily good; bad ones are uniformly long.
ӢҲ⡣ⳣǼԼĴ۰ɡ
- 八十一子
Short writings may not be good, but long ones are often bad. - 八十一子
˵ǡ˼ǡ̫ - zxd
It got to refer to an individual piece of writing. In Chinese it is not necessarily a problem, because Chinese is concise and often omits things and most often readers won't get it wrong. So Mr. Liang wasn't wrong in this case. But in English we have to say: A piece of short writing could be bad, but a bad one must be long.
Again, I wonder if Latin could be shorter, because English has rules t - 老瓦
ͬ
УIntegrityĴӦýСԡ
- 尚能饭
ʦллĴͽ̡ҵһƪĸժ¼Ц
Lost in Translation
Shangnengfan
"Poetry is what gets lost in translation."
--Robert Frost
An Overloaded Word
Integrity is an overloaded word that has different meanings in different contexts. It is an oft-cited term of virtue and character by moralists and politicians ali - 令胡冲
Oh, dear. That's not "vigorous writing" for sure. If you just got too many words to tell, then you simply can't tell a word, or say the word. :)
Could I be forgiven to talk about one real-world example, to inspect whether I followed up the basic understanding of Integrity and whether able to hold its basic value when facing a simple choice of the life?
We all know Chinese citizen need - July
What about skirt?
Short skirt can be bad, long ones are :-)
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- 令胡冲
hum.... shake my head. Long ones might be bad for girls, but girl will be a bride one day - and you will see how beautiful it is in the photograph. :)
Don't simply follow up with touche - when you are content with you got a point, you should know you have missed all other 99,999 points. :) - 尚能饭
For the sake of integrity, I'm answering your two questions with no hedge: neither was applicable to me!:)
1ҵνԷѹɡǮйٷǩ֤δ̸̸ˣҲĴ𰸣Ϊڵʱ£ȷʵҲû뵽Ҫô˵ʱǡݶӡԱ
2ǩЭҳNСϵ¡£쵼ͬ־Ҳû뵽 - 老瓦
У˴죬Ӣֲôࡰһһĺ£žз㡱֣Ҳ㺺overloader.
ͨ÷ңͿǸԵģˣԵģ
÷ȺڹϵŽᣬһ
ӹ÷ӣһָ꣨磬ƻ
- Susan
The one that I can come up with is "(aspired) not to decorate what they wear, but to wear the decorations". :)
ΪڼġװװӢģNot to powder the face, but to face the powder. ƾһ㣬㲻治С
- 尚能饭
÷Ⱥڹϵ
ӹ÷Ůϵ - Susan
face the powderӢ£еҪѳѵ˼㣬Bhuttoˡ
ԡface the powderĵطֻսӢҲûô˵ġ
ĵ˵(ðŵ˵ڻǰǰǰ)
- zxd
Lao Shang,
Just as wrote, you are certainly the one who best understand all of the meanings in the single word of integrity, even though it still puzzles you. To cheer you up, I offer the following case to compare. It's hard to say what's integrity just like what's pornography. The best definition is you know it when you see it.
- 令胡冲
Lucky old guy. Is it why the young generation always bearing the difficulty?:)
- 八十一子
ԡ
װװ
Lipsticks traded for rifles, we want their men, not ours. - Susan
ʵô룬һף
Aspired not to be a Venus but a Diana.
- xw
һҵǡҪSemper Diana non Venus
Ҫ˵Ԩ룬ȻpowderŮ
̳ҲһʱԺҲˡ
- Susan
I thought it was gun powder.
I also face the powder everyday. Baby powder.
- touche
To me, powdering the face is more brave than facing the powder. After all, the former is a direct application. ;)
