>玛雅 wrote:
>小心爱上天才！ 没有得到是幸运，天才经常伤害周围的人。
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>阿珊给说说这人怎么个神法？
一直想给玛雅说说那个天才的事，真是无从下笔。开始有些明白天才就是疯子这个概念。随便写了几句，不知道为什么要用第二人称。也许我觉得，我也快要成疯子了，所以只有“你”才知道我在写什么。
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随笔：天才印象（第1.4稿）
“My life is more like one foot in the twilight zone and other on a banana peel and any second I’m going to slip and be gone.”
Frank. You are singular. You are not from this world. You have never been of this world. No matter how similar our DNAs are, you do not belong.
We do not know how you came to this world, but you came. You looked around, and realized you were different, not just different, but, DIFFERENT. When you were younger you were not understood nor appreciated, but rather constantly laughed at, belittled, and abused. It didn’t help when you grew up in foster homes ran by “people straight from hell”. Nobody knew what to do with you. “Is Frank different for the sake of being different, or is he different?” everyone wanted to know. They studied you and concluded, “In any world Frank would be different”. And yes, for once they were right. But you were here. You had to try.
You tried to learn the rules of this world. You studied the physical world and got a MIT computer engineering degree. You studied the human bodies and got a MD but never practiced. You studied the mind and earned a Ph.D. in philosophy. You observe how everything works in this world. You are brilliantly bright. You are a genius. You know you are smarter than everyone else. You are. And you think you have understood everything. However, even your mind is out of this world. You are a contradiction to yourself. You have no real common sense and you make no sense at all! You do not understand how people work and you often wonder why people act the way they do even though you know the answer too. You devised a set of rules about this world, so you could live by them and live. You are mean to people you think are not nice, and generous to those who are nice to you. You think you are right--how else can you think? But there shall never be a way for you to evaluate yourself except with your own internal wits.
You believe in “truth, kindness, humors, bravery, and love—most of all love”. You live by the rules you invent and you prescribe them to others with ferocity. You tell stories of many roles you have played in this world--engineer, hacker, political negotiator, spy, carpenter, gardener, adventurer, K2 climber, pilot, grandson, son, foster son, brother, lover, husband, father, friend, patient, boss, city councilor, convicted felon(for stuffing a cut tree in trash bags), story-teller, comedian, philosopher, Taoist, writer, painter, poet..... After all you consider yourself a poet and everything is a poem to you. You are immensely fearless and you know no boundary. You strive to be capable--physically bold, mentally determined, emotionally daring, financially wealthy. Still, life can be so difficult for you at times. You just want to live and be in. “Yes I want to be alive and yes I will start where I start”, you tell me. You keep trying.
“Sometimes I think I am in a window looking at world inside wondering how to get in”, you write. And you are dyslexia and cannot even spell and do grammar! You say you have migraine, you have depression, you have allergies, you had pneumonia, you had leukemia, been struck by lightning, bit by a shark, and hit by a meteor. I don’t know how you could have survived all these and the heavy medications. They even say you are crazy, but you know how to get a certificate proving your sanity, and you write a poem about it afterward. You know everything, yet you know nothing. You don’t even know who you are. Are you a butterfly who is just dreaming, “or worse a brain-in-the-vat-ala-the-matrix”? You don’t know. And I don’t, either.
Sometimes you think you are god, and other times you fight him. You are more human, more real, more primal than any other human being in the world. You are saturated with human defects and human triumphs. But you are not of this world. You can never get in no matter how hard you try. That is your eternal curse and sorrow.
I think, the only door between the two worlds is love.
6/19/2004 (draft 1.0)
6/21/2004 (draft 1.4)
- posted on 06/20/2004
阿珊写得很棒。 now I have a vivid picture of this person.
我们都喜欢见多识广、见过世面的人，结果我们自己有一天似乎也有点这些人的样子了，比如我，我想等到我到他那个年龄的时候，也一定做了不少事情的，而且也一样大胆的。
但是回头一看，当年做的许多事都不是自己选择的，有些还是被动的，比如你说到这个人是个convicted felon。 我就有点担心了。 这样的人生虽然值得艳羡，一个人可以这样过，也可以与之为友，但生活的伴侣还是心思单纯一些为好。 这样就可以一起走比较长的路。
他看来也是个情绪不稳定的人，与你并没有什么太多的互补，反而有点冲犯呢。心胸宽广乐观的人更有魅力。
简单是真正的大智慧。人生也是一样。 五彩缤纷当然好，看久了，也会厌的。
阿珊， 你说呢？
阿姗 wrote:
玛雅 wrote:一直想给玛雅说说那个天才的事，真是无从下笔——我太平凡了！！开始有些明白天才就是疯子这个概念。随便写了几句，不知道为什么要用第二人称。也许我觉得，我也快要成疯子了，所以只有“你”才知道我在写什么。
小心爱上天才！ 没有得到是幸运，天才经常伤害周围的人。
阿珊给说说这人怎么个神法？
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“My life is more like one foot in the twilight zone and other on a banana peel and any second I’m going to slip and be gone.”
Frank. You are singular. You are not from this world. You have never been of this world. No matter how similar our DNAs are, you do not belong.
We do not know how you came to this world, but you came. You looked around, and realized you were different, not just different, but, DIFFERENT. When you were younger you were not understood nor appreciated, but rather constantly laughed at, belittled, and abused. It didn’t help when you grew up in foster homes ran by “people straight from hell”. Nobody knew what to do with you. “Is Frank different for the sake of being different, or is he different?” everyone wanted to know. They studied you and concluded, “In any world Frank would be different”. And yes, for once they were right. But you were here. You had to try.
You tried to learn the rules of this world. You studied the physical world. You studied the human bodies. You studied the mind. You observe how everything works in this world. You are brilliantly bright. You are a genius. You know you are smarter than everyone else. You are. And you think you have understood everything. However, even your mind is out of this world. You have no common sense and you make no sense at all! You do not understand how people work! You devised a set of rules about this world, so you could live by them and live. You are mean to people you think are not nice, and generous to those who are nice to you. You think you are right--how else can you think? But there shall never be a way for you to evaluate yourself except with your own internal wits.
You values truth, kindness, humors, bravery, and love. You live by the rules you invent and you prescribe them on others with ferocity. You tell stories of many roles you have played in the world--engineer, hacker, political negotiator, spy, carpenter, gardener, adventurer, climber, diver, sailor, philosopher, brother, husband, father, protector, friend, patient, city councilor, convicted felon, comedian, writer, painter..... After all you are a poet and everything is a poem. You are immensely fearless and you know no boundary. You strive to be capable--physically bold, mentally determined, emotionally daring, financially wealthy. Still, life can be so difficult for you at times. You just want to live and be in. “Yes I want to be alive and yes I will start where I start”, you tell me. You keep trying.
“Sometimes I think I am in a window looking at world inside wondering how to get in”, you write. And you are dyslexia and cannot even spell! You say you have migraine, you have depression, you had pneumonia, you had leukemia, been hit by lightning, bit by a shark, and hit by a meteor. I don’t know how you could have survived all these and the medicines. They even say you are crazy, but you know how to get a certificate proving your sanity, and you write a poem about it. You know everything, yet you know nothing. You don’t even know who you are. Are you a butterfly who is just dreaming, or “worse a brain-in-the-vat-ala-the-matrix”? You don’t know. And I don’t, either.
You are more human, more real, more primal than anyone else in the world. You are saturated with human triumphs and human defects. But you are not of this world. You can never get in no matter how hard you try. That is your eternal curse and sorrow.
I think, the only door between worlds is love.
6/19/2004 (draft 2)
- Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞★紙绗竴绋匡級posted on 06/21/2004
why do I have a feeling that you may need add "our" in front of "worlds"?
From what you wrote I gathered this guy is an aimless genius. Just feel curious, how old is he and what's his most outstanding achievement till the day?
阿姗 wrote:
I think, the only door between worlds is love. - Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞★紙绗竴绋匡級posted on 06/21/2004
阿姗，你这篇文章的上下文是怎么回事？玛雅姐让你描述哪个天才？谢谢。 - posted on 06/21/2004
阿姗 03/28/04, 18:37
遇到两个极好的男人。...一个(F)给我心灵的召唤与对未来的渴求，性格很野很强。
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阿姗 03/29/04, 02:03
见到美好的事物，美好的人，都有极强烈的占有欲。... F是一个奇男子(思与灵)，象从地狱中造出的天使，和他讲最避讳最禁忌最“奸”的事情，都觉得是在听巴赫的音乐(有洞察天机的感觉)。
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阿姗 04/08/04, 14:20
这些天终於认识了一个天才(F)，又欣喜又失落。欣喜的是能有机会一瞥造人者的创造力，失落的是无力挽留为己有。。。得以遇见他，心智倍受折磨。
只能自我安慰说，此生有幸能见到光彩的流星一现吧。
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玛雅 04/09/04, 01:00
小心爱上天才！ 没有得到是幸运，天才经常伤害周围的人。
阿珊给说说这人怎么个神法？
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阿姗 04/10/04, 00:31
无法不爱上他，但又真是得不到他(最近总是找他不到了)！每想到他，心中就有种手舞足蹈的感觉。又喜又悲，无法自拔！在想，如果能把他写下来也好啊。题目已经想好了，“与天才约会”。但觉得他太宏广了，思想与情感与经验都包含着宇宙万象，似乎所有“神”能赋予“人”的一切，在他身上都能够深深体验到。所有现在恐怕不能说说就说得出来的。正如我在征友/婚广告上写的："When I look into your eyes, I see the soul of the universe--calm and burning”。
很想把我对他的认识与得道的朋友们分享的，但又很自私的想一个人独享这几次的相遇的回忆。
再借用他的一首小诗来表达我对他的钦慕之情吧。
The world outside is a mirror,
Reflecting the
Good & bad
joy & sorrow
laughter & tears
within me...
Some people are
difficult mirrors
to look into,
but you...
I look at you
and I see
all the beauty
inside of me.
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玛雅 04/10/04, 01:13
说实在的这诗很一般。 根本没一点天分。 阿珊入魔了，赶快出来。要不要我给你施点法术？
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xw 04/10/04, 06:52
I look at you
and I see
all the beauty
inside of me.
这几句当然很触动人的眼睛，怕是不太符合玛雅的“破坏”力。
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玛雅 04/10/04, 13:39
很conventional， 没有新意。 这样说怎么样：
你是镜中的我
我是你水中的倒影
你美得如同画像
我愿是只彩笔
天天用笔尖抚摸你
你美得如同雕像
我愿是塑你的胶泥
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阿姗 04/10/04, 18:51
承认真是走火入迷了。谁能解脱我出来吗？另外，那首小诗大概要和其他一些文字结合起来才能体会其中的深意，至少对我而言。那诗恐怕不是专门写给我的，只觉得其中的一种对人事和世事的领悟(而非诗的文采)，触到我心了。这里就不多说了。
玛雅的小诗，我却觉得有些太绚丽了。有能耐，再想些别的办法帮帮“解魔”吧？
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阿姗 04/11/04, 00:59
这次华说的，“爱情是一个人的事”，好象真的是这样的。“不能攫为己有”，“不可能用法来限制”，“不是可以追求的”，这些爱情的道理都是明白的，在爱之中与爱之后，感受恐怕会尤其深刻。可我，不在爱之中，也不在爱之后，却是在爱之外。其实现在我已经放弃了去追求与拥有这一个无法琢磨的爱情了，好象转移到纯精神的向往与渴求。能否让我再沉迷几天？再痛苦几天？这些糊涂的痛苦的事，也难得。。。(日后一定要化悲痛为力量。)
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阿姗 05/18/04, 19:18
天才就是一些有些特殊才能，比较专心做自己的事情的人。与天才不易相处是因为平常人以平常人的方式对待天才，必要受挫折。其实很多不是天才的人也不易相处，也令他人受挫折。有的天才也很容易相处。与人相处的时候，要是感觉被消耗能量，是因为把自己的精力放在了别人身上。
烦恼都是自找的。
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阿姗 05/21/04, 12:21
对了，前天给我那个天才 dump 了。在餐馆里刚点好菜，一言不合，他拍了桌子起身就走了，害得我饿着肚子回家了。哈哈！正说天才要消耗周围人的能量呢。。。连饭也没的吃。:)
- Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞★紙绗竴绋匡級posted on 06/21/2004
Very insightful! Impressed. :-)
玛雅 wrote:
简单是真正的大智慧。人生也是一样。 五彩缤纷当然好，看久了，也会厌的。
- Re: 鎴戠殑澶╁晩posted on 06/21/2004
拍了桌子就走啊？～～～这个人一定是嫌菜不好吃！要不就是你跟他说了这顿上他付账了？
下次他再这样你使个腿子绊倒他，哈哈扮演天才的人摔个狗啃泥时，一定很好玩的啊～～～ - posted on 06/22/2004
These roses under my window make no reference to former roses or to better ones; they are for what they are; they exist with God today. There is no time for them. There is simply the rose; it is perfect in every moment of its existence. Before a leaf-bud has burst, its whole life acts; in the full-blown flower there is no more; in the leafless root there is no less. Its nature is satisfied, and it satisfies nature, in all moments alike. But man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
- Re: 鎴戠殑澶╁晩posted on 06/22/2004
七格好象对扮演天才的人'容忍度'降低了些. HM...
七格 wrote:
拍了桌子就走啊？～～～这个人一定是嫌菜不好吃！要不就是你跟他说了这顿上他付账了？
下次他再这样你使个腿子绊倒他，哈哈扮演天才的人摔个狗啃泥时，一定很好玩的啊～～～ - posted on 06/22/2004
这是那天才说的吗？
有超常才能和感受能力的人，在狂暴易变的外表下常有让人落泪的tenderness，我想这是他们吸引人（女人）的原因。
阿姗 wrote:
These roses under my window make no reference to former roses or to better ones; they are for what they are; they exist with God today. There is no time for them. There is simply the rose; it is perfect in every moment of its existence. Before a leaf-bud has burst, its whole life acts; in the full-blown flower there is no more; in the leafless root there is no less. Its nature is satisfied, and it satisfies nature, in all moments alike. But man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time.
- Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞�posted on 06/23/2004
兰舟姐，这段话是 Emerson 写的，"天才"引用了来，我再引用给你。意思大概是说，不管他年纪多大，成就多高，目标多真实，他也只是存在于此时此刻的玫瑰花。
玛雅说得对。这里我不是想写一个人的神通广大，也非艳羡他的见多识广（虽然我认识他的初衷是这样的）。我只是想写一个人的故事，因为灵感来了，不得不写。我觉得，通过对任何一个人的真心的、non-judgemental（这个词的中文是什么？）的了解，我们可以看到宇宙的美丽与奥秘，也可以体验到自己内心的和平与喜悦。谢谢玛雅的关心，请不要为我担心。
- posted on 06/23/2004
王菲的《寓言》里有四首歌，分别代表不同的意思，特别是彼岸花那首歌有点意思，说的是“愛情就算沒有結果，也會在彼岸開出花朵。”特别喜欢这句话。 要是凡事都要有结果，人也未免太功利了，况且有了结果就是好吗？
只希望你别受伤就好。
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寒武紀：八千萬年前天地初開第一紀，代表愛情的開始。
新房客：地球飯店人來人往都有緣結識新鄰居，代表喜歡的人出現
了。
香奈兒：可穿戴、可炫耀、可虛榮，代表第三者出現了。
阿修羅：天龍八部之一，以毀滅為樂，代表在愛情中的好鬥善妒。
彼岸花：佛家語。代表愛情就算沒有結果，也會在彼岸開出花朵。
阿姗 wrote:
adagio wrote:兰舟姐，这段话是 Emerson 写的，"天才"引用了来，我再引用给你。意思大概是说，不管他年纪多大，成就多高，目标多真实，他也只是存在于此时此刻的玫瑰花。
From what you wrote I gathered this guy is an aimless genius. Just feel curious, how old is he and what's his most outstanding achievement till the day?
这是那天才说的吗？
玛雅 wrote:玛雅说得对。这里我不是想写一个人的神通广大，也非艳羡他的见多识广（虽然我认识他的初衷是这样的）。我只是想写一个人的故事，因为灵感来了，不得不写。我觉得，通过对任何一个人的真心的、non-judgemental（这个词的中文是什么？）的了解，我们可以看到宇宙的美丽与奥秘，也可以体验到自己内心的和平与喜悦。谢谢玛雅的关心，请不要为我担心。
我们都喜欢见多识广、见过世面的人。
简单是真正的大智慧。人生也是一样。 五彩缤纷当然好，看久了，也会厌的。
- posted on 06/23/2004
原来是老爱说的，难怪看着贴心顺眼。
爱默生的散文随笔时常会冒出些天才绝句，令人叹为观止。比如我记得深刻的这句：Every man is his own star ... Every true man is a cause, a country, and an age; requires infinite spaces and numbers and time fully to accomplish his design; - and posterity seem to follow his steps as a trian of clients. (from "Self-reliance")
我个人认为爱默生当属美国思想史上的教父，思想脉络上他上承蒙田，下启尼采，将一种健康的个人主义阐发得光辉灿烂，令人向往不已。
阿姗 wrote:
兰舟姐，这段话是 Emerson 写的，"天才"引用了来，我再引用给你。意思大概是说，不管他年纪多大，成就多高，目标多真实，他也只是存在于此时此刻的玫瑰花。 - posted on 06/24/2004
This is a very interesting thread of dialogue or conversation. I'm more interested in how all these thoughts could be coming together here rather than the topic or the starting point itself. At times I otfen feel funny how one thing could intrigue another or one thought could lead to the next. It's amazing how we live together and what a world we live in. The descriptive piece is well written. Just as Maya said, we feel we now know quite a bit about this guy. He is certainly unique or unusual, but also in one way or another resembles all of us. If I may use a simple generalization I will perhaps say that he has high IQ but low EQ. I can certainly see Maya's concern as she doesn't want the girl to be hurt in a relationship with such a man. As a spectator, I don't know what will happen in the future in such a relation. Many things can be said or have been said already, althugh I'm not sure if they would have any effect at all. But I'm curious about how Emerson got involved, even though the quotes are both very good and if we ponder over those quotes a little longer we may all get some relief out of the original puzzle. - posted on 06/24/2004
zxd wrote:谢谢。
The descriptive piece is well written.
If I may use a simple generalization I will perhaps say that he has high IQ but low EQ.问过他了。他当然不赞同 EQ 的定义。
But I'm curious about how Emerson got involved, even though the quotes are both very good and if we ponder over those quotes a little longer we may all get some relief out of the original puzzle.
以下是针对“天才印象”的一封回信，希望对这个人的认识以及对讨论有些帮助。
yes you are right -love - is the only door - the only reality really. sometimes long before I do something - I know that it shall be done. It is not about trying or stopping or will power - it is like knowing it will rain tomorrow. The Star Wars idea of the "dark side" is as good a way for me to describe what I am about. - sometimes I forget and people are shocked by what I do - inside I am just being me - but to them I am something else even though I will say over an over that I am not. that I know who I am. that I decided this and thus I am content with it. to be "dark" is not to be evil (which is the opposite of love) is just to follow my path - some of which I make, some of which has been made for me. the practical realty is that without even trying to I have broken every the heart of every human that ever cared for me. I have known I do this for a long time but nothing helps - it would be nice to say there is a "cause" for this, but our universe there are things with causes and things with no causes. the hardest thing about being me is that I truly love people (all and each) but at the same time I am not happy with the effect I have on people. Also, that "effect" will not change. you are so very very right - the only people that think I am not toxic are those that love me. it's not so much that love allows those to accepting me but it is the only key to understanding me. as I am my own quanta often I myself am uncertain that of which to be.... well on it goes - I hope you get the idea.
all i am is frank, not a father, not a husband, not a friend, not a foe, i am not defined by myself or others - largely because those definitions last Pico seconds. ...
他引用了 Emerson 的话，意思大概是，不管别人如何看他、评他、定义他，他只是他自己，象那窗下的玫瑰花，与神共存于此刻。旧话新说而已。我把这段话“翻译”一下，来看这些文字间的关系：
I, Frank, make no reference to former self or to better self; I am for what I am; I exist with God today. There is no time for me. There is simply me; I am perfect in every moment of my existence. Before I was grown, my whole life acts; in my mind there is no more; in my body there is no less. My nature is satisfied, and I satisfy nature, in all moments alike. But most people postpone or remember; they do not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround them, stand on tiptoe to foresee the future. They cannot be happy and strong until they too lives with nature in the present, above time.
- posted on 06/24/2004
I enjoyed reading this little piece, passionately written and artfully crafted, but I have reached a quite different conclusion, based on the facts stated—assuming that the observations therein were unskewed and not too far from the truth. Be forewarned, the following opinion is not intended to rebut any previous analyses or to disagree with the thoughtful reflections or comments above. Rather, it is to suggest an alternative reading of an apparently intriguing individual.
The person in question, albeit very interesting and intelligent, does not seem to fit the profile of a Tian Cai (TC). After all, a real TC is one who has at his disposal talents or skills bestowed upon by nature, yet not acquired through nurture. It is possible that in a craze to meet a TC in a time that no longer produces TCs, the author created a version of her own in her mind. Viewed from a different framework, one of a modern human potential development and resource management, for example, one could fairly say that although the subject has a fair collection of impressive academic credentials, he does not know what to do with them. He is lost and is still in search of his position or mission in life. He is a talented individual with no clear vision nor firm convictions. He may have a very checkered life, but so far he has not been able to demonstrate a success on a scale that is well beyond the reach of an ordinary fellow. He has tried different things but is still unsure what exactly he wants out of life. Even if externally he is at peace with himself, he is suffering internally. He lacks the social savvy needed to succeed in a conventional way, his high IQ can not completely make up for the lack of high EQ. He is different, but difference is only one characteristic of TCs and can not by itself establish his “TChood.”
I could and probably should have elaborated more to further explicate my position or explore this interesting topic. But I am running out of time. I understand that this view might be a very harsh, if not acrimonious, analysis of the person. But if each person is a unique book, each book ought to have different interpretations. This version of the interpretation should not diminish or change in any way the likeability of the person, adored by the author. It merely strives to show—something we already know—that beauty is only in the eye of the beholder. On a less serious note, as an old saying holds, behind every successful is a woman. I think that same holds true that behind or beside many a TC stands a woman. :)
As a footnote, just as the author’s version of the genius stemmed from her perception or belief that TCs exist, my side of the story also sprang from my belief that TCs do not exist, at least not in a classic sense. For one thing, I have seen too many people in my life that would fall squarely into the author’s definition of TCs yet are still considered to be—and probably are indeed—“commoners.”
- posted on 06/24/2004
FENGZI把我这几天特没劲的情绪全吹散了.
Fengzi wrote:After all, a real TC is one who has at his disposal talents or skills bestowed by nature, yet not acquired through nurture.
既使天才惧怕自己的天才,他也摆脱不了.天才也是无能为力.
It is possible that in a craze to meet a TC in a time that no longer produces TCs,... 我有点被你说动了心了
On a less serious note, as an old saying holds, behind every successful is a woman. I think that same holds true that behind or beside many a TC stands a woman. :)你太逗了,我会非常投入地站在他(她)的身后(旁).
For one thing, I have seen too many people in my life that would fall squarely into the author’s definition of TCs yet are still considered to be—and probably are indeed—“commoners.”
对,对,对.MIT computer engineering degree, MD, a Ph.D. in philosophy, 这不都是我们都在做,做过,或热衷做的事吗. 我觉得天才不会的.
你是"风"还是"疯"? 如果是"疯", 就有点儿意思了.
- posted on 06/24/2004
阿姗写得很棒,很美,
一定会看到彼岸花,
爱情结果也一定会有.
玛雅 wrote:
王菲的《寓言》里有四首歌，分别代表不同的意思，特别是彼岸花那首歌有点意思，说的是“愛情就算沒有結果，也會在彼岸開出花朵。”特别喜欢这句话。 要是凡事都要有结果，人也未免太功利了，况且有了结果就是好吗？
只希望你别受伤就好。
……………………
寒武紀：八千萬年前天地初開第一紀，代表愛情的開始。
新房客：地球飯店人來人往都有緣結識新鄰居，代表喜歡的人出現
了。
香奈兒：可穿戴、可炫耀、可虛榮，代表第三者出現了。
阿修羅：天龍八部之一，以毀滅為樂，代表在愛情中的好鬥善妒。
彼岸花：佛家語。代表愛情就算沒有結果，也會在彼岸開出花朵。
阿姗 wrote:
adagio wrote:兰舟姐，这段话是 Emerson 写的，"天才"引用了来，我再引用给你。意思大概是说，不管他年纪多大，成就多高，目标多真实，他也只是存在于此时此刻的玫瑰花。
From what you wrote I gathered this guy is an aimless genius. Just feel curious, how old is he and what's his most outstanding achievement till the day?
这是那天才说的吗？
玛雅 wrote:玛雅说得对。这里我不是想写一个人的神通广大，也非艳羡他的见多识广（虽然我认识他的初衷是这样的）。我只是想写一个人的故事，因为灵感来了，不得不写。我觉得，通过对任何一个人的真心的、non-judgemental（这个词的中文是什么？）的了解，我们可以看到宇宙的美丽与奥秘，也可以体验到自己内心的和平与喜悦。谢谢玛雅的关心，请不要为我担心。
我们都喜欢见多识广、见过世面的人。
简单是真正的大智慧。人生也是一样。 五彩缤纷当然好，看久了，也会厌的。
- posted on 06/24/2004
这事儿时有发生,超过五行字的东西,我就看不懂. 这篇就漏了.
玛雅原来是一位邻家大姐姐.
十分,美好.
玛雅 wrote:
阿珊写得很棒。 now I have a vivid picture of this person.
我们都喜欢见多识广、见过世面的人，结果我们自己有一天似乎也有点这些人的样子了，比如我，我想等到我到他那个年龄的时候，也一定做了不少事情的，而且也一样大胆的。
但是回头一看，当年做的许多事都不是自己选择的，有些还是被动的，比如你说到这个人是个convicted felon。 我就有点担心了。 这样的人生虽然值得艳羡，一个人可以这样过，也可以与之为友，但生活的伴侣还是心思单纯一些为好。 这样就可以一起走比较长的路。
他看来也是个情绪不稳定的人，与你并没有什么太多的互补，反而有点冲犯呢。心胸宽广乐观的人更有魅力。
简单是真正的大智慧。人生也是一样。 五彩缤纷当然好，看久了，也会厌的。
阿珊， 你说呢？
阿姗 wrote:
玛雅 wrote:一直想给玛雅说说那个天才的事，真是无从下笔——我太平凡了！！开始有些明白天才就是疯子这个概念。随便写了几句，不知道为什么要用第二人称。也许我觉得，我也快要成疯子了，所以只有“你”才知道我在写什么。
小心爱上天才！ 没有得到是幸运，天才经常伤害周围的人。
阿珊给说说这人怎么个神法？
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“My life is more like one foot in the twilight zone and other on a banana peel and any second I’m going to slip and be gone.”
Frank. You are singular. You are not from this world. You have never been of this world. No matter how similar our DNAs are, you do not belong.
We do not know how you came to this world, but you came. You looked around, and realized you were different, not just different, but, DIFFERENT. When you were younger you were not understood nor appreciated, but rather constantly laughed at, belittled, and abused. It didn’t help when you grew up in foster homes ran by “people straight from hell”. Nobody knew what to do with you. “Is Frank different for the sake of being different, or is he different?” everyone wanted to know. They studied you and concluded, “In any world Frank would be different”. And yes, for once they were right. But you were here. You had to try.
You tried to learn the rules of this world. You studied the physical world. You studied the human bodies. You studied the mind. You observe how everything works in this world. You are brilliantly bright. You are a genius. You know you are smarter than everyone else. You are. And you think you have understood everything. However, even your mind is out of this world. You have no common sense and you make no sense at all! You do not understand how people work! You devised a set of rules about this world, so you could live by them and live. You are mean to people you think are not nice, and generous to those who are nice to you. You think you are right--how else can you think? But there shall never be a way for you to evaluate yourself except with your own internal wits.
You values truth, kindness, humors, bravery, and love. You live by the rules you invent and you prescribe them on others with ferocity. You tell stories of many roles you have played in the world--engineer, hacker, political negotiator, spy, carpenter, gardener, adventurer, climber, diver, sailor, philosopher, brother, husband, father, protector, friend, patient, city councilor, convicted felon, comedian, writer, painter..... After all you are a poet and everything is a poem. You are immensely fearless and you know no boundary. You strive to be capable--physically bold, mentally determined, emotionally daring, financially wealthy. Still, life can be so difficult for you at times. You just want to live and be in. “Yes I want to be alive and yes I will start where I start”, you tell me. You keep trying.
“Sometimes I think I am in a window looking at world inside wondering how to get in”, you write. And you are dyslexia and cannot even spell! You say you have migraine, you have depression, you had pneumonia, you had leukemia, been hit by lightning, bit by a shark, and hit by a meteor. I don’t know how you could have survived all these and the medicines. They even say you are crazy, but you know how to get a certificate proving your sanity, and you write a poem about it. You know everything, yet you know nothing. You don’t even know who you are. Are you a butterfly who is just dreaming, or “worse a brain-in-the-vat-ala-the-matrix”? You don’t know. And I don’t, either.
You are more human, more real, more primal than anyone else in the world. You are saturated with human triumphs and human defects. But you are not of this world. You can never get in no matter how hard you try. That is your eternal curse and sorrow.
I think, the only door between worlds is love.
6/19/2004 (draft 2)
- posted on 06/24/2004
阿姗的天才无疑智商极高，有多项才能，这人若早生几百年，说不定也是个莱布尼茨帕斯卡一类的人物，可惜生错了时代。在今天这个民主政治商品经济知识专业化信息大爆炸的时代，天才若拒绝做专才，便只能做废才。（对不起，阿姗，我说话直）这位天才同志陷进了一个dilemma（套别人批评我的一句俗话，叫做自我误区 ：），既然满足于做此时此刻的玫瑰花，又何必苦恼不能fitting into the world? 因为fitting into the world 最终是还要以个人的成就来看待的。
阿姗认识了这人，也是场值得的经历。得不得到他的爱情，我看倒不值得为之烦恼。阿姗聪明人，能自己解脱的。 - posted on 06/25/2004
Glad to see some effort in distinguishing TC from IQ. We often expect TC has high IQ but can't expect all high IQs to be TC. In my view, TC knows what he/she wants and doesn't care what the world requires. High IQs can prove to the world he/she has high IQ but may not know what he/she wants. While trying to prove he/she has high IQ he/she is already a success seeker, but if he/she has low EQ, he/she can hardly succeed in this world. If he is TC, he will just defy the world, and the world will end up admiring his TC at a later time.
- posted on 06/25/2004
Agreed. Many of the 高才生 from China are high IQ and excel at exams, but they are not necessarily TCs.
zxd wrote:
Glad to see some effort in distinguishing TC from IQ. We often expect TC has high IQ but can't expect all high IQs to be TC. In my view, TC knows what he/she wants and doesn't care what the world requires. High IQs can prove to the world he/she has high IQ but may not know what he/she wants. While trying to prove he/she has high IQ he/she is already a success seeker, but if he/she has low EQ, he/she can hardly succeed in this world. If he is TC, he will just defy the world, and the world will end up admiring his TC at a later time.
- Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞�posted on 06/25/2004
谢谢笨笨。 - posted on 06/25/2004
兰舟姐总想用现实社会的尺度来衡量Ｆ君。我不想在这里写他的具体成就，因为很多事太难以令人相信了，我说也说不清，说了以后还要为他辩解，所以我一直避免现实的话题。他自己知道自己怎么回事，不用向世界证明任何事。是我在这里钦佩他。我的那篇，写得很有些理想化，因为他这个人带给我一些灵感，我想用诗来写。事实上Ｆ君并非苦恼不能 fit into the world，是我写的。他已经悟道了，出世过了，现在又入世了，是一个极其复杂的人物。我真是无力将他写下来，所以只有“印象”。
我上学时认识的及其聪明的人不少，但每次想天才这个字，总是想到 Shakespeare, Mozart, Van Gogh, Feynman 一类的人。Ｆ君告诉我说，普通定义里天才有七种，好像是音乐，美术，语言，数理，领袖，体育，高智商。
再谢谢兰舟姐的关心。遇到一个能带给我 a whole score of human experience 的人，带给我灵感，已经是我的幸运了。昨天我顺口说了句，fact is a flat image of the truth，他觉得此话不错（哈哈，终于被他钦佩了一把）。现在想想，这话还真挺深奥的，用在这篇答复里也挺恰当的。
- Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞★紡绛斿叞鑸�posted on 06/25/2004
Interesting. The way I see it is, fact is a dull image of truth. :)
Seems you two now are good friends. I am glad. I always have doubt in passion, which can be extremely destructive especially when driven by sexual desire.
阿姗 wrote:fact is a flat image of the truth - Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞★紡绛斿叞鑸�posted on 06/25/2004
是七种才能。（唉，我怵天才这个字 :）我读过一本书叫 Seven Kinds of Smart，列了七种才能：music, graphical, language, math/logic, body intelligence, people skills, and metaphysical.
偶的第五和第六项才能奇差。
阿姗 wrote:Ｆ君告诉我说，普通定义里天才有七种，好像是音乐，美术，语言，数理，领袖，体育，高智商。
- Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞�/閮藉彨澶╂墠posted on 06/25/2004
阿姗的天才PROFESSIONAL STUDENT 是天才. 相信很有一些人能象他一样涉足这么多领域,并都达到一定程度但这些人里的大多数不会这么做.超凡脱俗的常人.
小时候学卖油翁,老师说那叫熟能生巧.真的吗? 那个有天赋的他,难道没可能是不为世俗眼光所承认的天才吗? 有天赋的常人.
拥有BEAUTIFUL MIND的那个JOHN NASH,是天才吗? 有创造力的不正常的人.
这里的咖啡客呢?时时闪着思想的火花的常人.
:-) - Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞★紡绛斿叞鑸�posted on 06/25/2004
adagio wrote:
是七种才能。（唉，我怵天才这个字 :）我读过一本书叫 Seven Kinds of Smart，列了七种才能：music, graphical, language, math/logic, body intelligence, people skills, and metaphysical.
意思差不多，好，我同意。
Seems you two now are good friends. I am glad.
难说，难说。Love (not just romantic love) is still the only door.
- Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞★紡绛斿叞鑸�posted on 06/25/2004
I like this saying, sounds from a 得道之人. :)
阿姗 wrote:fact is a flat image of the truth，他觉得此话不错（哈哈，终于被他钦佩了一把）。现在想想，这话还真挺深奥的，用在这篇答复里也挺恰当的。
- Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞�/鍐嶅洖绗ㄧposted on 06/25/2004
笨笨 wrote:
阿姗的天才PROFESSIONAL STUDENT 是天才. 相信很有一些人能象他一样涉足这么多领域,并都达到一定程度但这些人里的大多数不会这么做.超凡脱俗的常人.
他不是 professional student （我才是呢）。他没怎么上小学（逃学），中学大学一起上的，去ＭＩＴ是因为跟人打赌；他学医是想不被医生左右；他学哲学是因做木匠时，无事可干；他自己的兴趣是搞电脑，园艺，绘画，写诗。这都是他说的，我一点证据也没见到（除了他写的歪诗），只见到一个无穷无尽的大脑，里面全是东西。 - Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞�/鍐嶅洖绗ㄧposted on 06/25/2004
嘿，多挖点他的诗过来看看。没版权问题吧？ - Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞★紡绛斿叞鑸�posted on 06/25/2004
嘿嘿，若不是romantic love，那就是朋友啦。朋友间也能有爱啊。
阿姗 wrote:
Seems you two now are good friends. I am glad.难说，难说。Love (not just romantic love) is still the only door. - Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞★紡鎴戞兂淇椾簡posted on 06/25/2004
PASSION 也是个事儿. 象所有的事儿都有个开始,有个结束. 太过瘾的事儿,人就不想结束,就导致了一些不好的结果和感受. PASSION 也好,SEXUAL DESIRE 也好,本身谈不上DESTURCTIVE. 就算是,它也有一个CONSTRUCTIVE 的开始.
我自己又想俗了.今天被网住了.
adagio wrote:I always have doubt in passion, which can be extremely destructive especially when driven by sexual desire.
- posted on 06/25/2004
我们的讨论让我回想起十多年前我与老师“老狐狸”的许多次对话。（如果想了解老狐狸的话，他的回忆散文在other's work之下old fox，他写了很多，大约花了他6个月吧，把他一生里有趣的事情大概说了说。 ）我那时年纪还太小，很多他讲的我当时都不懂，但他“豁”地给我开了天眼，其中就包括这个对“dark”与evil的理解, 他还引用《厚黑》的观点来阐释他的说法。当然他用的都是柔道武术上的例子， 因为他那时迷日本剑道迷成了精。 他的日本剑舞得很像那么回事的。 他说他前世一定是个samurai
他当年给我用的“药”一下子太重了些，而我又刚从一个特别保守的、一元思维的环境里出来，冲击是很强烈的。
应该说老狐狸也算得上是个天才了。 他那个年代（60嘻皮年代）出了不少天才的，具体的我就不例举了。我猜想阿珊的天才也大约是那个年龄的人，否则没有时间做那许多的事情。
以后再讲他。
- posted on 06/25/2004
passion能把人带到彼岸，可怕的是去了还是要回来的，倒好像不如不过去。 不过，不到彼岸怎能说是活过呢？
难道兰姐就不想看看彼岸的风景？就在这岸边遛弯儿？：）
我喜欢佛教里的“刹那”这个概念。 我讨厌人都把时间想成规规矩矩的刻度、死死板板的固定的机械尺寸。 时间是特别会伸缩的，我常觉得自己早已经活了几生几世。
passion让我们在刹那间去了彼岸，见到了佛光，怕只怕“刹那”间又回到此岸，刻板的时间又一圈圈开始。
笨笨 wrote:passion
PASSION 也是个事儿. 象所有的事儿都有个开始,有个结束. 太过瘾的事儿,人就不想结束,就导致了一些不好的结果和感受. PASSION 也好,SEXUAL DESIRE 也好,本身谈不上DESTURCTIVE. 就算是,它也有一个CONSTRUCTIVE 的开始.
我自己又想俗了.今天被网住了.
adagio wrote:I always have doubt in passion, which can be extremely destructive especially when driven by sexual desire.
- Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞★紡鎴戞兂淇椾簡posted on 06/25/2004
啊，看过了，所以才能对那风景说上几句嘛。：）
玛雅 wrote:
passion能把人带到彼岸，可怕的是去了还是要回来的，倒好像不如不过去。 不过，不到彼岸怎能说是活过呢？
难道兰姐就不想看看彼岸的风景？就在这岸边遛弯儿？：） - Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞� / Henry Millerposted on 06/26/2004
Henry Miller again. His description of Katsimbalis seems fit.
"Nobody can explain anything which is unique. One can describe, worship and adore." -- from The Colossus of Maroussi
- posted on 06/27/2004
Well said. I think he is genius in learning. I don’t know if he is genius using his knowledge. Sometime using his knowledge (since he already has a lot of knowledge) is more important than keeping learning new knowledge.
阿姗, I think you fall in love with him deeply. The most important things in the relationship are if he loves you and care about you, not if he is a genius. Wait 1 ~ 3 months to sort out the relationship, to see if he is the Mr. Right. If he is, then let the relationship going; otherwise, you may want to downgrade the relationship to friendship.
Best wishs to 阿姗.
adagio wrote:
阿姗的天才无疑智商极高，有多项才能，这人若早生几百年，说不定也是个莱布尼茨帕斯卡一类的人物，可惜生错了时代。在今天这个民主政治商品经济知识专业化信息大爆炸的时代，天才若拒绝做专才，便只能做废才。（对不起，阿姗，我说话直）这位天才同志陷进了一个dilemma（套别人批评我的一句俗话，叫做自我误区 ：），既然满足于做此时此刻的玫瑰花，又何必苦恼不能fitting into the world? 因为fitting into the world 最终是还要以个人的成就来看待的。
阿姗认识了这人，也是场值得的经历。得不得到他的爱情，我看倒不值得为之烦恼。阿姗聪明人，能自己解脱的。 - posted on 06/27/2004
这些世俗、功利的教诲真是让人烦不胜烦。不听还好，听了，不仅满脑袋浆糊，浑身都给这混话沾了浆糊。
哪里有什么Mr.right 不right的，精神的交轨没有世俗的框架。在一点上交轨就已经是一生一世了，你们怎么能用机械的刻度来度量灵魂的时间？怎么能用人的律法来规范神仙？
神仙自有神仙的活法，阿珊不需要什么mr.right， Mr. wrong才是她需要的。阿珊需要独处一段时间，与自己结婚也没什么了不得的。 阿珊功法不到位，所以给“天才”惑了，轻易与高手过招，受点轻伤难免哟。
阿珊，别听这些胡言，让人生气。
NM wrote:
Well said. I think he is genius in learning. I don’t know if he is genius using his knowledge. Sometime using his knowledge (since he already has a lot of knowledge) is more important than keeping learning new knowledge.
阿姗, I think you fall in love with him deeply. The most important things in the relationship are if he loves you and care about you, not if he is a genius. Wait 1 ~ 3 months to sort out the relationship, to see if he is the Mr. Right. If he is, then let the relationship going; otherwise, you may want to downgrade the relationship to friendship.
Best wishs to 阿姗.
adagio wrote:
阿姗的天才无疑智商极高，有多项才能，这人若早生几百年，说不定也是个莱布尼茨帕斯卡一类的人物，可惜生错了时代。在今天这个民主政治商品经济知识专业化信息大爆炸的时代，天才若拒绝做专才，便只能做废才。（对不起，阿姗，我说话直）这位天才同志陷进了一个dilemma（套别人批评我的一句俗话，叫做自我误区 ：），既然满足于做此时此刻的玫瑰花，又何必苦恼不能fitting into the world? 因为fitting into the world 最终是还要以个人的成就来看待的。
阿姗认识了这人，也是场值得的经历。得不得到他的爱情，我看倒不值得为之烦恼。阿姗聪明人，能自己解脱的。 - Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞�posted on 06/27/2004
佛法里有“印心”一词，俗话里也说“心心相印”，人与人的沟通完全不是语言能做到的啊。
阿珊的“心”今晚印在我的眉心上几乎要成一个死结。
阅读一些人的自传，才发现某些人的足迹简直就是彼此的copy。 也许世他们的基因太相似了吧。
…………………………………… - Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞�posted on 06/27/2004
nm新来乍到就被我一通狠骂，实在对不起。是针对你规劝阿珊的“老生常谈”，随便武断用俗世眼光来解决“天才”们的问题，我说的都不对你个人的。 - posted on 06/28/2004
I total agree with you that “神仙自有神仙的活法”. I agreed with you that “精神的交轨没有世俗的框架。在一点上交轨就已经是一生一世了”. However, I did not use 机械的刻度来度量. I use Einstein relative theory to measure天才(smile). When they are at the speed of light(Time is stopped at that speed), then在一点上交轨就永恒. When they at the speed of higher than light, then they can 超越时空.
AS you said in your previous post “简单是真正的大智慧。人生也是一样。” I believe that真正的幸福就隐藏在简单的俗世生活中. My advice is only for the person who 食人间烟火, who wants to get marry, who wants to have 幸福的人间生活.
maya wrote:
这些世俗、功利的教诲真是让人烦不胜烦。不听还好，听了，不仅满脑袋浆糊，浑身都给这混话沾了浆糊。
哪里有什么Mr.right 不right的，精神的交轨没有世俗的框架。在一点上交轨就已经是一生一世了，你们怎么能用机械的刻度来度量灵魂的时间？怎么能用人的律法来规范神仙？
神仙自有神仙的活法，阿珊不需要什么mr.right， Mr. wrong才是她需要的。阿珊需要独处一段时间，与自己结婚也没什么了不得的。 阿珊功法不到位，所以给“天才”惑了，轻易与高手过招，受点轻伤难免哟。
阿珊，别听这些胡言，让人生气。
NM wrote:
Well said. I think he is genius in learning. I don’t know if he is genius using his knowledge. Sometime using his knowledge (since he already has a lot of knowledge) is more important than keeping learning new knowledge.
阿姗, I think you fall in love with him deeply. The most important things in the relationship are if he loves you and care about you, not if he is a genius. Wait 1 ~ 3 months to sort out the relationship, to see if he is the Mr. Right. If he is, then let the relationship going; otherwise, you may want to downgrade the relationship to friendship.
Best wishs to 阿姗.
adagio wrote:
阿姗的天才无疑智商极高，有多项才能，这人若早生几百年，说不定也是个莱布尼茨帕斯卡一类的人物，可惜生错了时代。在今天这个民主政治商品经济知识专业化信息大爆炸的时代，天才若拒绝做专才，便只能做废才。（对不起，阿姗，我说话直）这位天才同志陷进了一个dilemma（套别人批评我的一句俗话，叫做自我误区 ：），既然满足于做此时此刻的玫瑰花，又何必苦恼不能fitting into the world? 因为fitting into the world 最终是还要以个人的成就来看待的。
阿姗认识了这人，也是场值得的经历。得不得到他的爱情，我看倒不值得为之烦恼。阿姗聪明人，能自己解脱的。 - Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞�posted on 06/28/2004
Sorry that I posted multiple by accident. I think the web site has design flaw, click the “Refresh” button (in the web browser) after posting will cause duplicate posts. I think you need to re-set the web browser address after posting to fix this problem.
- posted on 06/28/2004
好人，你用的咖啡屋是旧版的吧？我是从 http://www.mayacafe.com/forum/ 来的，贴的文章可以自己删改。谢谢你的关心。过虑了！
我文字中哪里说我 fall in love with him deeply 了？只有在“天才日记”中提到，但那已经是我得道前的旧文了。那辈子我已经活过了，现在开始了新的日子。
我看人看事也不会就那么肤浅，看到绝顶聪明的，或学车五斗，或经历丰富的，就要被迷惑住。真要去爱，也不是找个伴侣结婚这么简单就能满足的了。当我能从一个人那里看到宇宙万象变幻，看到人世缤纷繁复，我当然要抓住去看了。我不看，我不看回来跟你们说，你们谁去呢？
玛雅说的，功法不到位，与高手过招，受了轻伤，那也就算是前世的事吧。我经历不足，但天资优越，乐观豁达，现在还分不出胜败输赢。何况我已经找到了门，只是在找钥匙罢了。我不是简单的人，简单的俗世生活我努力了多年，总是无法实现，已经打算完全放弃这个企图了。我不是在找“真正的幸福”——我已经找到了——幸福就在能自由自在的活着，体验着，感动着，爱着，被爱着，做着自己。
There is no cure for birth and death, save to enjoy the interval. -- Santayana
- Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞�posted on 08/02/2005
今天收到一个陌生女人的来信。
信里说，她可以告诉我很多很多关于这个“天才”的事情。她说她知道他所有的女人。我说我也猜到很多关于这个天才的事，可我怀疑你就是这个天才扮的。她说我如何证明我不是他？我们好象两个私家侦探。我约了她明天见面，互相交换情报。太振奋人心了！这个令我着迷一年多的谜语终于要揭晓了！或者我会发现，我又要陷入更深的一层谜语了。无论如何，都有好戏看。
- Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞�posted on 08/02/2005
wait for 好戏. - Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞�posted on 08/03/2005
阿姗 wrote:
出门两个星期，不知道什么时候能上网。目前的天才故事结论是，天才是个天才骗子。以前他老跟我说，天下文章一大抄。我怀疑他本身就是一个复制品。但不知道原文在哪里。所以还是很感兴趣。
首先打了个电话。接电话的是一个女人，陌生女人，但足以证明，世界上另外有一个人知道这个天才骗子的存在。我不是在白日做梦。谜底真要揭晓了，可能会有些失望呢。
这个故事告诉我们，还是不要搞科学搞侦探的好。 - posted on 08/21/2005
天哪！这个故事还真没完没了了，编都编不出来这样奇怪的“好戏”。一波未平，一波又起。现在已经有四个女人和一个男人（天才 Frank，F）了，大家互相通信，互相合作，互相误解，互相猜疑。我本来是想了个心事，兼看好戏，结果老是不停的被他们编在他们的爱情故事里面。
早知道就开个博客来记录了。先把今天的写着。
今天 Susan 写信来，说收到 Renee 的来信，令她非常惊愕。她说，Renee 说，我跟 F 这个秋天要结婚了，然后我会拿到绿卡！Renee 还说，我在和她与 F 午饭时，我和 F 表现得异常默契，所以我们之间一定通了很多信。这个 Renee 的想象力怎么如此丰富啊！她不是早已偷偷的上上下下里里外外把我在网上这几年所有的十多个博客都翻过了吗？她可算我最忠诚的读者了。我和 Francois 的那些对话，她误以为是 F，然后幻想出一大堆故事出来。午饭时，我告诉她那个不是 F，她却自信地微笑说，我什么都知道，你不必隐瞒。
我已经半年没和 F 有任何联络了。我跟 Susan 说过，她告诉了 Renee，午饭时我和 F 也当 Renee 的面如此说的。这个 Renee 怎么就以为我要跟 F 结婚了？？她不是一心想帮 F 和妻子 Elizabeth 维持婚姻的吗？尽管我们三人都告诉她，这个婚姻是名存实亡的，她却买些书去帮他们。
（Renee 从 Susan 那里听说 F 是有妇之夫，妻子出于更年期，她就买了些更年期的书，偷偷放在他们门口。Renee 告诉 Susan 这件事，Susan 告诉我。我去找 F 午餐时，F 指着几本书说，这就是 Renee 买给 Elizabeth 的书。当时我不知 Renee 是谁，F 如何知道我知道那些书的来历？还有，凭什么我找他吃饭，他却偷偷约了 Renee 一起相见？）
这个 Renee 还居然是我们加州理工学院的校友，是我们密西根大学的正牌工程系教授，是自称物理学家的伊朗女强人，是波斯苏菲诗人鲁米(Rumi)的翻译诗人，是经历了伊斯兰教、苏菲、基督教、道教、禅宗的佛教徒！她问我，最喜欢的作家是谁，音乐家是谁。F 跟我都抗议，问题不能这么问。她却说，她追求“一”，所以一定要有一个最喜欢的。我说，宗教里的这个“一”不是其中一个的一，而是全然合一的一。她怎么连这个都不懂呢？
我见过 Susan 两次，每次都畅聊好几个小时。她就是那个给我写信的陌生女人。她也是被 F 迷住了，以为真的可以跟 F 结婚。她在网上找到我和 Renee 两个情敌（尽管我早已脱身了），告诉我们 F 的罄竹难书的恶行，说他是个天才骗子 (con artist)，希望我们认清他的本质而放弃。她的笔记本和笔记本电脑里，满满的都她收集到的 F 的资料。她说她最了解 F。可惜 F 已经几个礼拜不理她了，告诉我说 Susan 才是个骗子，说再也不要见她。我们吃饭没叫上她。她一定有些伤心，因为是她先把我和 Renee 和 F 联系到一起的。
今年 Susan 44 岁，Renee 45 岁，F 50 岁，Elizabeth 51 岁。
我以为爱情游戏只有中学生才玩的。想不到中年人玩的却如此认真。
sjade wrote:
wait for 好戏. - Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞�posted on 08/21/2005
唉，阿姗，脑袋被你搅晕了，我简单的爱情智力最多只有三维，你这五维太复杂了。那什么天才，我是不是一年多前就警告你小心是骗子啊？５０岁这把年纪了，要天才早就誉满全球了，还等着情昏的女人来发现？
好在你摆脱了他。 - posted on 08/21/2005
是个骗人的天才压！被骗的几个女人明知他是骗子，还要围着他团团转，求他来骗自己。根据 John Updike 小说改编的一部电影，The Witches of Eastwick《紫屋魔恋》，不就是讲了一个口才流利、风流倜傥的男人 Jack Nicholson 和三个巫婆 Cher, Susan Sarandon, Michelle Pfeiffer 的故事吗？不过他们那才四维。
其实我总是被搅进多维爱情故事里。我再讲个五维（二男三女）的故事给你听。
我和男朋友 D 分手几年后，他交了新女友 W。W 想把妹妹 Y 给嫁到美国来。D 告诉 W 我知道网上哪里可以登绿卡新娘的广告。我详细告诉他们。姐姐 W 的老朋友 G 很关心 Y 嫁给坏人，决定自己来迎娶 Y（10年前见过一面）。这时，D 找我帮 W 和家人建立网站。在 W 家我见到 G，和 G 很投机。W 吃醋，一气之下骂 G，说他不配娶她妹妹。伤心之余，G 取消婚约。我告诉 D 我爱上 G，让他不要告诉 W。可是 D 还是说了。W 再气之下和 G 断绝关系。后来 D 和 G 告诉我，当初 W 来美国，都是 G 的帮忙和赞助，而且当年他们疯狂恋爱多年。后来 W 离开 G，才跟 D 好的。看懂了吗？W 爱上我的旧男友 D，我爱上 W 的旧男友 G，G 喜欢 W 的妹妹 Y 但不想结婚，妹妹失恋，大家断绝关系。故事的结局是，姐姐帮妹妹在网上找了个公民，嫁过美国。姐姐和男朋友 D 订婚，D 来找我和我复合，比来比去，这个胆小的伪君子最终娶了 W。我生气，不理他们，继续和 G 保持朋友关系。前后故事15年。
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今天在朋友的婚礼上，我抢到了新娘扔的花束！:))))))))))
- Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞�posted on 08/21/2005
啊~~~~~
看阿姗写的东西，要有仰望满天星河的准备
曲线，星星，各种各样语言的字母和符号
复杂的多维，多角的关系
是的，阿姗是个物理学家，科学家，民主党派~~~~~
在朋友的婚礼上，抢到了新娘扔的花束的物理学家，科学家，民主党派~~~~~
哈哈（不要扁我！） - Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞�posted on 08/22/2005
阿姗看来有能力编个11维的，这样就可以把恋爱中的手性问题也一并解决了吧～：） - Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞�posted on 08/22/2005
Ahem...这个SUSAN不是我...:-)
阿 姗 为 人 太 善 了 ， 要 是 换 了 我 ， 哼 哼 。 。 。 - posted on 08/22/2005
阿姗 wrote:
我和男朋友 D 分手几年后，他交了新女友 W。W 想把妹妹 Y 给嫁到美国来。D 告诉 W 我知道网上哪里可以登绿卡新娘的广告。我详细告诉他们。姐姐 W 的老朋友 G 很关心 Y 嫁给坏人，决定自己来迎娶 Y（10年前见过一面）。这时，D 找我帮 W 和家人建立网站。在 W 家我见到 G，和 G 很投机。W 吃醋，一气之下骂 G，说他不配娶她妹妹。伤心之余，G 取消婚约。我告诉 D 我爱上 G，让他不要告诉 W。可是 D 还是说了。W 再气之下和 G 断绝关系。后来 D 和 G 告诉我，当初 W 来美国，都是 G 的帮忙和赞助，而且当年他们疯狂恋爱多年。后来 W 离开 G，才跟 D 好的。看懂了吗？W 爱上我的旧男友 D，我爱上 W 的旧男友 G，G 喜欢 W 的妹妹 Y 但不想结婚，妹妹失恋，大家断绝关系。故事的结局是，姐姐帮妹妹在网上找了个公民，嫁过美国。姐姐和男朋友 D 订婚，D 来找我和我复合，比来比去，这个胆小的伪君子最终娶了 W。我生气，不理他们，继续和 G 保持朋友关系。前后故事15年。
My goodness. 如果新东方十年前就认识阿珊小姐，他们后来就不用在去费尽心机地去偷美国GRE逻辑考题的原稿了。 - Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞�posted on 08/22/2005
What is a 天才 (genius)? By loose definition, his/her IQ should be over 140. Having said that, however, an average man/woman (IQ=100) can be a genius in the eyes of an idiot.
When man/woman falls in love, the chance of him/her becoming an idiot is very high. Then the question is: what is most likely to lure a man/woman into the trap of love? A big and waterful mouth!
- posted on 08/24/2005
阿姗 wrote:注：故事里的 Susan 不是玛雅这里的 Susan MM。
天哪！这个故事还真没完没了了，编都编不出来这样奇怪的“好戏”。
昨天 Susan 说 Renee 已经不回信了。我有些失望。这个故事难道真要结束了？如果 Renee 不跟 Susan 通信，Susan 就不能转告我，我如何再能知道 Frank 在做什么？我试尝写了封短信给 Frank。
Frank 寄回来的是一封 Renee 给他的长信，原封不动转给我。信中引用了 Susan 给她(Renee)的信的片断。从 Susan 在信中透露的 Renee 与 Frank 之间的事的“事实”，根据 Renee 的博士头脑和想象力，她判断(a)Susan 有本事偷听偷看 F 与 R 的通话和通信；(b)Frank 和我“快要结婚了”，所以把他与 R 的所有对话重述给我，我再讲给 Susan，Susan 再告诉 Renee。天哪，我的脑子都要给 Renee 转晕了。
反过来重述一次。Susan 给 Renee 的信，Renee 转给 Frank，Frank 转给我。我要不要告诉 Susan？
Susan 和我现在是挺好的朋友，但我抑制住做长舌妇的冲动（把流言都写在这里了），没跟 Susan 说。
晚上 Susan 寄来一封 Renee 给她的信，原封不动转给我。信中表达了 Renee 与我们大家绝交的决心。随后 R 又提醒 S 对我设防，说有证据我在背后说她们(S+R)坏话，因为 Frank 把我的信转给她(R)了。Renee 还用了最难听的字骂我，搞得 Susan 莫名其妙。我真的没有说任何人的坏话压！她 Renee 如何恨我入骨？
Susan 把 Renee 的信转给我；Renee 把 Susan 的信转给 Frank；Frank 把 Renee 的信（以及 Susan 给 Renee 的信）转给我，又把我的信转给 Renee。我只好把我给 Frank 的信转给 Susan，因为是我写的，F 和 R 都已经看过了。
这是一个长舌妇的故事吗？我有什么做错的地方吗？也许我不该以看好戏为目的，来搅混水。可是，我特别喜欢这些关系复杂的恋爱故事压。
对了，谁要考 GRE？当年我 GRE 逻辑得满分，不需学习，而其它科目成绩都特低。昨天晚上我试图解一个20维的分析逻辑题，目前还在努力。
- Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞�posted on 08/24/2005
我下两周后考GRE，现在GRE已经不靠逻辑了，作文的argument 代替对逻辑能力的考察,等你醒了指点一下我好吗？ - posted on 08/24/2005
整个一流帖子没看懂。真事还是故事？怎么有种感觉阿珊是在把自己的心魔编故事
呢。即使是真事，我看问题不是出在那个天才身上，而在阿珊身上。她一定把什么
感情和什么感觉搞混了。天才就是天才，或者说就是那么一个人，天才无论从哪方
面讲，都不会随着别人的世界转的。所以，如果有别人被迷住，缠住，吸引住，那
不是天才有什么问题——而这常常是人们遇到与天才的不一般关系时的惯常思维，
是别人搞混了，尽管有可能是被天才的不平凡把自己搞混了。
不管这是真的还是假的，这不叫爱，或者说叫passionate love，而且是spiritual
部分的passionate love，不管有没有肉体。最好的解脱办法——如果真想解脱，
套用一句话来说就是：如果想杀死爱，那就把所爱的东西占为己有。尤其是在这种
畸形的爱的感觉时，不管是哪种魔力被你当成了爱，当你充分享有它的时候，它就
开始失去魔力了。人世间的任何信念和纽带，都经受不住这个人的adaptation本性
因为这是进化赋予人的生理和心理本性。
如果真的是激情，好说，血难久热，烧到头就灭了。至于灭了以后剩下什么，要看
阿珊到底是怎么样一个人，而不是那个天才是什么样的人。
还是觉得这是个故事的编撰过程…… - Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞� / S.R.A.T.posted on 08/24/2005
困死我了。终于做出来了。睡觉去了。
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( main SRAT page: www.math.wisc.edu/~propp/srat.html ) - Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞� / S.R.A.T.posted on 08/25/2005
姗MM， 早晨扫了一眼这条线， 开会的时候都在想你。你上面写的故事那么复杂， 我连看懂的勇气都没有，你怎么敢参与的？ 我最爱读的是你那篇"IT'S MY TURN" 最爱听你说“没想到这世界上的快乐也有我一份儿”
你好象还同意过类似的， 我的体会“真爱是一种让人镇定的幸福”
这些都没变吧？
字已经碰不得，再加上音乐，还有那五六七八维的逻辑，真让人担心哪:)) - Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞�posted on 08/25/2005
写的那复杂故事没打算给谁看的，能让人望而生畏就行了。
这些天正在和幸福闹别扭呢。看来专想跟谁作对的话，幸福也逃不掉。
怎么办呢？为什么稳定的幸福我没有勇气去承担呢？ - posted on 08/25/2005
让我们永远处于百变之中吧！卡门哈巴涅拉舞曲中的歌词：“爱情像一只自由的小鸟。”女人的心也是一只自由的鸟，让幸福在心里飞进飞出，游刃有余就是至高境界了。让我们在安静和喧闹之间自由徜徉，在家庭和单身之间来去无阻，一切的选择都在我们的眉心底下，城里城外都各有风光，阿珊就和我一样“有情无碍”了。
不是没有勇气去承担，而且自由的心有更多的期望。让幸福自由地来去，不去约束，不去要求，一切都将瓜熟蒂落，一切都早有安排。
阿姗 wrote:
写的那复杂故事没打算给谁看的，能让人望而生畏就行了。
这些天正在和幸福闹别扭呢。看来专想跟谁作对的话，幸福也逃不掉。
怎么办呢？为什么稳定的幸福我没有勇气去承担呢？ - posted on 08/25/2005
今天在中午12点就喝高了酒（我写东西时，有时需要咖啡加酒精来刺激了），一边把这些帖子认真看了，再回想自己10多年前的一次疯狂的爱情，忍不住地大笑啊。ops，kinko里面的人都在盯着我咯。 阿珊与我仿佛是彼此镜中的肖像。
我这几天翻旧信匝，翻到我的老师菲里写来的信和我的日记。我的老师菲里给我上过很多堂受益终身的课。其中就有普鲁斯特书里描述的那种疯狂渴望占有的爱情和嫉妒。
菲里不美、不潇洒、不健壮、没有钱、甚至可以说是穷愁潦倒，但是非常迷人。 我们相遇在浪漫的阿拉斯加的雪山脚下，在神秘的湖边，一切都曾笼罩着神的光彩和迷雾。
菲里的女友包括上至耶鲁东方文学系的名教授、中央情报局的女特务、IBM里的聪明女程序员、女钢琴师等等；下至学校里computer center里红头发的女秘书、腰围粗壮的送信人等等。他都一一叙述详情，其精彩的文学描述足以达到当年我嫉妒得疯狂想杀人的地步为止。
他所用的技巧与阿珊描述的天才如出一辙，就是激起好胜女子的好奇心。他们都言语无碍、文采飞扬，到处设置智慧陷阱。
今天，我已经见识过许多的智慧陷阱，我寻找的只有最简单的爱情，身体的以及灵魂的。 - Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞�posted on 08/25/2005
玛雅 wrote:
他所用的技巧与阿珊描述的天才如出一辙，就是激起好胜女子的好奇心。他们都言语无碍、文采飞扬，到处设置智慧陷阱。
too bad, I wish I had been trapped in this 智慧陷阱 for once. :)
- Re: REposted on 08/25/2005
To me it is real simple. These are not what a decent person would behave:
1. 偷偷约了 lover 一起相见 ex-lover.
2. 把 someone 的信转给 others to see.
3. 把妹妹嫁给自己当年疯狂恋爱多年的旧男友.
Conclusion: 绝交,绝交,绝交! :))))))
Phew, it is not so easy to copy and paste... - Re: REposted on 08/25/2005
我同意SUSAN. 绝交,绝交,绝交!
跟谁呀?
:)))) - posted on 08/25/2005
看来 F 真是菲里的翻版，不美、不潇洒、不健壮（每天要吃十多种药）、没有钱而穷愁潦倒（破产了只好住旅馆），而且还不是个 decent 的人，但我从他那里学了很多受益终身的课。他不是故意要教我的，只是想“激起好胜女子的好奇心”，“到处设置智慧陷阱”，越是骄傲的越要和他玩，到后来明明知道是一场的爱情游戏，还要欺骗自己继续下去。
今天我在想，这个天才（叫惯嘴了）好象根本就不存在，根本是个假人，a fake person who does not even exist，但他却给周围的人带来那么大影响。这是什么原因呢？为什么我曾经那么情愿被他欺骗，也不要从痴迷中解脱出来？是不是因为现实生活中没有什么人愿意真玩智力游戏？这种游戏多么刺激啊，又不象间谍游戏那样危险。没有明文的规则，但加入游戏了，就要慢慢摸索，争取成为真正的大玩家。
那个骄傲的女教授，不懂游戏规则，弄假成真，又不能假戏真做，最后只得自动推出，只得绝交，只得告诉自己世界上充满了阿姗这样的恶毒女人。我知道她就是恨我这么差劲的居然跟她是校友（她跟我说那么拔尖的学校怎么收了你，一定是在推广多样化吧），还早在她之前就爱过这个不正派的男人，还能爱情游戏进退自如，还懂得她所自豪的诗词音乐文学宗教哲学，还拿了比她更正牌的物理学位。越是把自己看得重要的人，越受不起欺骗游戏的伤害。下次玩不起就不要玩，不必骂人嘛。
从天才那里学的东西（他都是抄的），有功夫慢慢跟大家分享。上次那首“大爆炸”的诗，我还一直找不到原作者出处，也许真是他自己写的。http://www.mayacafe.com/forum/topic1.php3?tkey=1088439795 - posted on 08/25/2005
姗MM折腾吧。不看了。我走了。
阿姗 wrote:
看来 F 真是菲里的翻版，不美、不潇洒、不健壮（每天要吃十多种药）、没有钱而穷愁潦倒（破产了只好住旅馆），而且还不是个 decent 的人，但我从他那里学了很多受益终身的课。他不是故意要教我的，只是想“激起好胜女子的好奇心”，“到处设置智慧陷阱”，越是骄傲的越要和他玩，到后来明明知道是一场的爱情游戏，还要欺骗自己继续下去。
今天我在想，这个天才（叫惯嘴了）好象根本就不存在，根本是个假人，a fake person who does not even exist，但他却给周围的人带来那么大影响。这是什么原因呢？为什么我曾经那么情愿被他欺骗，也不要从痴迷中解脱出来？是不是因为现实生活中没有什么人愿意真玩智力游戏？这种游戏多么刺激啊，又不象间谍游戏那样危险。没有明文的规则，但加入游戏了，就要慢慢摸索，争取成为真正的大玩家。
那个骄傲的女教授，不懂游戏规则，弄假成真，又不能假戏真做，最后只得自动推出，只得绝交，只得告诉自己世界上充满了阿姗这样的恶毒女人。我知道她就是恨我这么差劲的居然跟她是校友（她跟我说那么拔尖的学校怎么收了你，一定是在推广多样化吧），还早在她之前就爱过这个不正派的男人，还能爱情游戏进退自如，还懂得她所自豪的诗词音乐文学宗教哲学，还拿了比她更正牌的物理学位。越是把自己看得重要的人，越受不起欺骗游戏的伤害。下次玩不起就不要玩，不必骂人嘛。
从天才那里学的东西（他都是抄的），有功夫慢慢跟大家分享。上次那首“大爆炸”的诗，我还一直找不到原作者出处，也许真是他自己写的。http://www.mayacafe.com/forum/topic1.php3?tkey=1088439795 - Re: 鐖辨儏娓告垙posted on 08/25/2005
笨笨MM跟我绝交了。55555
我看书去了。刚才一会儿功夫我又去书摊买了三本书，总共6块钱。好高兴。
benben wrote:
姗MM折腾吧。不看了。我走了。 - Re: 鐖辨儏娓告垙posted on 08/25/2005
我好想用大棒子打阿珊的头啊，邦邦邦！ - Re: 鐖辨儏娓告垙posted on 08/25/2005
Susan wrote:
我好想用大棒子打阿珊的头啊，邦邦邦！
邦邦邦，大棒子，好玩的压～～～来打吧！打打打，打膀子！ - Re: 鐖辨儏娓告垙posted on 08/25/2005
This fake genius is just a tastful encounter for Ah Shan before her happy marriage with Mr. Perfect. No need to worry. :) - Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞�posted on 08/26/2005
玛雅 wrote:
......我寻找的只有最简单的爱情，身体的以及灵魂的。
This is something you will get when you are ready, regardless when you are seeking or not, regardless you want it or not.
Then you will be thrilled, for sure. - posted on 09/04/2005
看看得道的人，怎么玩爱情游戏的。
雾色窗影的爱情里衍生出的一个天才，它象早晨乡村里的炊烟一样，笔直的进入世界，同时也意味着瞬间消失无形。
用灵魂去召唤爱情，是一件值得敬佩的事，因为真正的灵魂，是一个人身上最脆弱的部分，就象一个新生的鸡蛋剥去了蛋壳。
玛雅说的真好，都是幸福家庭常存不衰的最重要的一些理由。但对爱情里的人来说，走路的时候，早就用丝巾蒙上双眼，对人事风物做出判断的那颗心，不管是出于理性还是感性，都已经由不得自己。
但，看完了，总觉得，这个爱情里，有一环最重要的元素缺了，这样，它从一开始，就只能是一场游戏。
在这个世界上，爱情的游戏远比爱情更有魅力。 - Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞�posted on 11/27/2007
这条线看的笑死我了。阿姗和楼上的各位都太可爱了。阿姗写的很好。
如今阿姗过上了幸福生活，这么疯的帖子也不再见了：）把旧贴顶上来吧，有否前世之感那？ - Re: 鎴戠殑澶╁晩posted on 11/27/2007
还是七格明白。 :-)
七格 wrote:
拍了桌子就走啊？～～～这个人一定是嫌菜不好吃！要不就是你跟他说了这顿上他付账了？
下次他再这样你使个腿子绊倒他，哈哈扮演天才的人摔个狗啃泥时，一定很好玩的啊～～～ - Re: 鎴戠殑澶╁晩posted on 11/27/2007
我的天，阿珊原来如此生猛！
偶像啊！ - Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞�posted on 11/27/2007
浮生 wrote:
如今阿姗过上了幸福生活，这么疯的帖子也不再见了：）把旧贴顶上来吧，有否前世之感那？
浮生太棒了，把这么好的帖子顶上来！
看了后持续发呆，没心思工作了。。。
更喜欢阿姗了 ：） 和玛雅特别有共鸣 ：） - Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞�posted on 11/28/2007
2004年是我的人生巅峰，疯疯癫癫的，都是被这个天才和玛雅搞的。2005年的事是狗尾续貂。再后来的事，Susan 去年和一个英国人结婚了。Renee 就是跟八十一子说过的那个翻译鲁米诗的伊朗人，我们没有联络。 Elizabeth 和 Frank 不知怎样了。
现在我觉得自己是个老婆婆，至少是中年妇女，跟小辈人说，其实我也年轻过啊。 - posted on 11/28/2007
咖啡店里面的宝藏太丰富了，先说这首诗，就让我感动得不行～～阿姗先拿给我去翻译成中文吧，完了你再提供九十九首来？：））
阿姗 wrote:
再借用他的一首小诗来表达我对他的钦慕之情吧。
The world outside is a mirror,
Reflecting the
Good & bad
joy & sorrow
laughter & tears
within me...
Some people are
difficult mirrors
to look into,
but you...
I look at you
and I see
all the beauty
inside of me.
----
玛雅 04/10/04, 01:13
说实在的这诗很一般。 根本没一点天分。 阿珊入魔了，赶快出来。要不要我给你施点法术？
----
xw 04/10/04, 06:52
I look at you这几句当然很触动人的眼睛，怕是不太符合玛雅的“破坏”力。
and I see
all the beauty
inside of me.
---- - Re: 澶╂墠鏃ヨposted on 11/28/2007
xw 04/10/04, 06:52
I look at you
and I see
all the beauty
inside of me.
Who wrote this? xw or Ah Shan? Anyway, it's great. - Re: 澶╂墠鏃ヨposted on 11/28/2007
zxd wrote:
xw 04/10/04, 06:52
I look at you
and I see
all the beauty
inside of me.
Who wrote this? xw or Ah Shan? Anyway, it's great.
It was by Ah-Shan's genius
Ah-Shan,how is the genius doing now? -- just read your previous post, got your answer. - posted on 11/28/2007
我觉得天才的定义应该是：聪颖、怪戾、穷和早死，因此天才与功成名就并不直接划等号。象莫扎特、凡高、兰波，包括王勃，是出名早的天才，另外还有大多数死的更早，当然就出不了名：）
所以友情提醒众多女ID，为了你的幸福未来，请远离男天才：））
adagio wrote:
唉，阿姗，脑袋被你搅晕了，我简单的爱情智力最多只有三维，你这五维太复杂了。那什么天才，我是不是一年多前就警告你小心是骗子啊？５０岁这把年纪了，要天才早就誉满全球了，还等着情昏的女人来发现？
好在你摆脱了他。 - Re: 闅忕瑪锛氬ぉ鎵嶅嵃璞�posted on 11/28/2007
净和阿姗开玩笑了。其实，就是因为看到这个系列，才喜欢阿姗的磊落和疯颠，但更喜欢阿姗现在的平实， 自信和大度。。。我对天才性趣不大：-）到是不时地碰见几个蠢材。。。：-）
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