2005年的冬天
你的沉默
酿成了
酒
被独饮的人
送到唇边
你的等待
埋成了
煤
抛进冬天的炉火
燃烧诺言
你自己呢
飘成了
雪
站成云里
脉脉的雪山
- Re: 【长话短说】梦里秋天posted on 10/10/2005
梦里秋天
我从一个格子
走进另一个格子
夏天的裙子
冬天的靴子
和秋天一起
切分我的身体
我在格子中间穿梭
一个梦醒在另一个
梦里
天空湿了
湿裙子挂在风中
秋天
穿透阴郁的黑脸
滴在我的脚上 - Re: 【长话短说】梦里秋天posted on 10/10/2005
笨笨的诗颇有想象力,只是有时难以抓到思绪,但语言很美 - Re: 【长话短说】梦里秋天posted on 10/10/2005
你是在说所有的呢, 还是"梦里秋天"? 这首我写得也莫名其妙:)想表达一种"分裂"的感觉吧
你也没上班吧. 今天是我们俩在咖啡店值班:-)
废名 wrote:
笨笨的诗颇有想象力,只是有时难以抓到思绪,但语言很美 - Re: 【长话短说】梦里秋天posted on 10/10/2005
笨笨 wrote:
梦里秋天
我从一个格子
走进另一个格子
夏天的裙子
冬天的靴子
和秋天一起
切分我的身体
我在格子中间穿梭
一个梦醒在另一个
梦里
天空湿了
湿裙子挂在风中
秋天
穿透阴郁的黑脸
滴在我的脚上
写得好。只是不知道秋天是如何滴法的。:)
笨笨一定有方格子裙子?Who dosn't it?
妈的。一个哥伦布日又快浪费掉了。:) - Re: 【长话短说】梦里秋天posted on 10/10/2005
这首够湿了。
笨笨 wrote:。。。
梦里秋天
天空湿了
湿裙子挂在风中
秋天
穿透阴郁的黑脸
滴在我的脚上 - Re: 【长话短说】梦里秋天posted on 10/10/2005
是下雨了.我就这么一点秘密了.
哦, 你不会是在问"穿透阴郁的黑脸"吧?
gadfly wrote:>写得好。只是不知道秋天是如何滴法的。:)
笨笨一定有方格子裙子?Who dosn't it?
妈的。一个哥伦布日又快浪费掉了。:) - Re: 【长话短说】梦里秋天posted on 10/10/2005
笨笨的诗是清凉点心,虽然不知道她说的什么,干活累了读两句倒是蛮解乏的。
小姑娘的情绪,小姑娘的诗。。。倒是难得。继续写,写到100岁。
对了,没以前的哀怨了,这是好事。 - Re: 【长话短说】梦里秋天posted on 10/10/2005
从来就没哀怨过.我很快乐的.
如果有哀怨的情绪,写完了就没了.
我希望读的人也是,想哀怨就读读,读完了就没事了.
原来真诗人不是这样写诗的? 我说我怎么不上路呢.
你也不用涂涂抹抹, 又加五十岁干嘛. 你说什么都好的:)
又:你觉得是小姑娘的情绪,没什么不好. 我可不是小姑娘,别误导了大家:) - Re: 【长话短说】梦里秋天posted on 10/10/2005
我想写字是终生的勾当,所以又给你加了五十年。:)
真快乐就好。 - Re: 【长话短说】梦里秋天posted on 10/10/2005
我喜欢这首。格子让我想起了日历,也想起了棋盘。人生、岁月、游戏,就这样通过格子联在一起了。
笨笨 wrote:
梦里秋天
我从一个格子
走进另一个格子
夏天的裙子
冬天的靴子
和秋天一起
切分我的身体
我在格子中间穿梭
一个梦醒在另一个
梦里
天空湿了
湿裙子挂在风中
秋天
穿透阴郁的黑脸
滴在我的脚上 - Re: 【长话短说】梦里秋天posted on 10/11/2005
疯子联想丰富啊。想到游戏,是不是想起跳房子了?我突然知道笨笨的格子是什么了,是装换季衣物的壁橱格子。这两天熬夜加班,头昏脑胀的,笨笨能多写几首就好了。 - Re: 【长话短说】梦里秋天posted on 10/11/2005
你真是太可爱了。你们真是太可爱了。
我先对付完手里的事, 再找我写的给你看。
为什么叫风子疯子啊?
adagio wrote:
疯子联想丰富啊。想到游戏,是不是想起跳房子了?我突然知道笨笨的格子是什么了,是装换季衣物的壁橱格子。这两天熬夜加班,头昏脑胀的,笨笨能多写几首就好了。 - Re: 【长话短说】仲夏的花园posted on 10/12/2005
仲夏的花园
目光轻轻一点
它就抖抖地飞走了
留下单纯的美丽
单纯的美丽
没有情节的花园
花园里一株心思
绵绵密密
攀上夏天的树
夏天的树
伸在四季的外面
在四季的外面
回眸
我的花园 - Re: 【长话短说】仲夏的花园posted on 10/12/2005
呵呵,绕起圈子来了!圈子绕得有点夏日绵长的意思。:-) - posted on 10/12/2005
老朽突发奇想,笨笨这样的诗写起来如何?于是20分钟内有了下面三首。看来不难写,只要你敢想。 :)
盆景
我把你的影子
种在心里
心思有多深
你就长多高
在我的泪水灌溉下
长成一颗树
直到一天
我从梦中醒来
你已枝叶繁茂
遮住了
我的阳光和雨水
我不再生长
成为你的盆景
雪人
风把你呵出的热情
送到我的窗上
结成美丽的花儿
没有心的人
你把霜冻玫瑰
赠给我
是因为我的心
一样结着冰霜?
小女孩的歌
我知道圆圆的
是月亮
我说她很美
她照着我
说是我的镜子
她说我很美
我习惯了她的美
就像她懂得我的心
算作帮笨笨填土吧。 :) - Re: 【长话短说】仲夏的花园posted on 10/12/2005
yi? no responses? not even from benben?
let me say a couple more things then -
1. A poem needs substance.
2. A poet needs imagination as well as clear thinking.
Let's improve together. :) - Re: 【长话短说】仲夏的花园posted on 10/12/2005
adagio写得不错啊,我来回一下,回什么呢?
抄一首诗:
铁甲长戈死未忘,堆盘色相喜先尝。
螯封嫩玉双双满,壳凸红脂块块香。
多肉更怜卿八足,助情谁劝我千觞。
对斯佳品酬佳节,桂拂清风菊带霜。
- Re: 【长话短说】仲夏的花园posted on 10/12/2005
这是林姑娘的咏蟹诗吧?跟仲夏的花园有甚关系?要不我们劝笨笨再写一首仲秋的花园?
gee, I miss the flavor of old fat crab! my mouth is watering ...
- posted on 10/12/2005
These are nice too. I personally like short pieces. They are like light, bite-size snacks, a brief nap in a hot summer noon, or an ornament on the mantel. I'm helplessly confined, like many other contemporaries, to a common bad reading-habit of our times: we often read only the first and last paragraphs of a piece of writing. Therefore, the only way for us to go through an article in its entirety, hence to fully relish its brilliance, is to read one having only two paragraphs, or less.
Classical literature as a whole is like an upscale restaurant serving exquisite cuisines, housed in a stately building with marbled floors. The customer has to first block some time from his schedule, book a seat with the restaurant, dress in pressed suits and ties, and be chauffeured there. By contrast, short verses like these are likened to the McDonald chains. At any time everybody in shorts can causally walk in or drive through, grab a bite and move on. Congratulations! Adagio has just become the first franchisee of the Benben’s Fast-Prose Inc.
adagio wrote:
老朽突发奇想,笨笨这样的诗写起来如何?于是20分钟内有了下面三首。看来不难写,只要你敢想。 :)
盆景
我把你的影子
种在心里
心思有多深
你就长多高
在我的泪水灌溉下
长成一颗树
直到一天
我从梦中醒来
你已枝叶繁茂
遮住了
我的阳光和雨水
我不再生长
成为你的盆景
雪人
风把你呵出的热情
送到我的窗上
结成美丽的花儿
没有心的人
你把霜冻玫瑰
赠给我
是因为我的心
一样结着冰霜?
小女孩的歌
我知道圆圆的
是月亮
我说她很美
她照着我
说是我的镜子
她说我很美
我习惯了她的美
就像她懂得我的心
算作帮笨笨填土吧。 :) - Re: 【长话短说】仲夏的花园posted on 10/12/2005
哈哈,疯子倒是说到了现代人的问题 - short attention span, little patience, empty headed, etc. 但是,快餐这种东西我不喜欢,只提供热量,不提供营养。我更愿意去古典味的餐馆坐等。
快餐诗也一样,只有一时的感官享受,没有deep meaning,没有力量,没有内容。
就我个人写诗而言,早过了感性朦胧阶段,所以笨笨牌快餐诗我是不会再写了。呵呵。
得干活了,再聊再聊。 - Re: 【长话短说】仲夏的花园posted on 10/12/2005
adagio wrote:
这是林姑娘的咏蟹诗吧?跟仲夏的花园有甚关系?要不我们劝笨笨再写一首仲秋的花园?
gee, I miss the flavor of old fat crab! my mouth is watering ...
说你呢,横行公子却无肠...翻翻三十八回末就知道了。
- Re: 【长话短说】仲夏的花园posted on 10/12/2005
啊, ADAGIO昨天是假可爱呀。 扣10分!
你们聊得好。继续,继续。我一有空,就来参与.
- Re: 【长话短说】仲夏的花园posted on 10/12/2005
xw wrote:
说你呢,横行公子却无肠...
啧啧啧,你有肠?还绕来绕去的吧?
笨笨,别把“可爱”这俩字用在我身上,那是形容你这样的MM的。adagio NN 从来就不可爱。:) - posted on 10/12/2005
One point of clarification. My fast v. restaurant food analogy above did not imply anything relating to the quality of the two types of poetry in discussion. (That would be a good topic for a different day.) Instead, it was the accessibility and compatibility with contemporary life style that I was trying to make a comparison.
While it took about 500 years for the Duomo di Milano (Milan, Italy) to complete, the Empire State Building in NYC was finished in only 13 months. It would be difficult to categorically say which one is “better,” although personal preferences can undoubtedly be exerted. The “fast-food” literature is an inevitable, although unintended or undesirable to some, result of the development of western democracy and modernization, to which the Renaissance, the revival and embracement of classical arts and literature, contributed. I am of the opinion that the two do not have to be mutually exclusive and we probably need both.
- Re: 【长话短说】仲夏的花园posted on 10/12/2005
Fengzi wrote:
While it took about 500 years for the Duomo di Milano (Milan, Italy) to complete, the Empire State Building in NYC was finished in only 13 months. It would be difficult to categorically say which one is “better,” although personal preferences can undoubtedly be exerted.
One difference, we call the Duomo di Milano art and the Empire State Building building. :) - Re: 【长话短说】仲夏的花园posted on 10/12/2005
adagio wrote:
xw wrote:啧啧啧,你有肠?还绕来绕去的吧?
说你呢,横行公子却无肠...
肠子多绕几周好,食物也消化得彻底。 - posted on 10/13/2005
I don't disagree with you on your preference of the Duomo over the Empire State Building. Many people (myself included) probably feel that way too. But in all fairness, the Empire State Building is also indisputably an "Art-Deco Masterpiece." It's an artwork of the Second-Wave Civilization, in contrast to the Duomo, which was a product from the First-Wave Civilization. I guess because most of us have been exposed or pre-disposed to First-Wave Civilization for too long, very few really have developed a stomach for the masterpieces from the later, more recent Civilizations. Even fewer are prepared to embrace the works in the Third-Wave Civilization (I don't even know what they look like or "should" be like yet.) which we are in right now. We really need to have different sets of value systems, eyes and minds, in order to fully appreciate and celebrate the works of man in different historical periods.
adagio wrote:
Fengzi wrote:One difference, we call the Duomo di Milano art and the Empire State Building building. :)
While it took about 500 years for the Duomo di Milano (Milan, Italy) to complete, the Empire State Building in NYC was finished in only 13 months. It would be difficult to categorically say which one is “better,” although personal preferences can undoubtedly be exerted. - Re: 【长话短说】仲夏的花园posted on 10/13/2005
Third-Wave Civilization
I like Fengzi's comments.
Would I.M. Pei's addition to the Louvre qualify as a sample of the Third-Wave Civilization? Maybe Beijing's Big Egg too? :-) - posted on 10/13/2005
Here are my defenses on modern art:
1. Only the best of the best can survive the testing of time. If you travel back in a time machine, you will probably find a lot of artworks back then were actually 没有力量,没有内容.
2. In ancient times the functions of art were limited to glorify religion, war or the rulers. Only in much later years can common people use art forms to express personal feelings and desires and at the same time be recognized and appreciated for their creativity.
3. Many art activities in ancient times were supported by huge amount of commissions (and sometimes draft of labor) from heavy taxes. Cultral wonders like the Pyramid or the Great Wall required great amount of slave labor. Yet only a few elite classes were allowed to enjoy them. If today Bush says he wants to increase tax to build a Duomo, I would definitely say no. (Or maybe I still don't have a choice. Bush's Duomo is called the Iraq war)
There are much more to say... - Re: 【长话短说】仲夏的花园posted on 10/13/2005
What kind of Modern art are we talking about anyway? The Modern era ended in 1940's(?). Now is post-post modern era? When I visited MoMA I found that Picasso's works appeared to be really traditional comparing to other works in the museum. Some of the so called modern poems I read are really really old-fashioned by today's standard.... - posted on 10/14/2005
我没兴趣贬低现代艺术,但烂的实在太多了,尤其是当代艺术,鱼龙混杂,鱼目混珠。当然,好的东西都是经过时代淘汰才存留下来的,现在人们熟知的古典作品都是彼时的经典,当时的二流三流作品早不见踪影了。所以,拿现在一般作品和古典时期的经典比,以此轻视现代艺术,确实有些不公平。另外,一个时代流行的并非就是低俗的,电影刚问世时,有人惊恐不安,说这种流行的大众艺术要让艺术变低俗了,有人就反驳说歌剧当年也是大众流行艺术。所以问题不在艺术形式,问题在于艺术作品本身的质量。过去两三百年间创作了无数部歌剧,有多少是留得下来的?现在还有生命力的是极少数。电影也一样,好莱坞那些mass production几乎都会成为垃圾,能留下来让后代奉为经典的是极少数。
所以,在任何时代,没有内容,没有深度,没有力量的作品都会被遗忘,这与它们属于古典艺术还是现代艺术无关。有心向艺术奉献的人还是得花些勤奋的心力(当然,前提是你有足够的天分),快餐艺术是行不通的,即使受当时当地的大众欢迎。或者,别称这种东西是艺术,叫它娱乐。
至于帝国大厦算不算艺术,算不算经典,恐怕还要等一百年才知道。:) - Re: 【长话短说】仲夏的花园posted on 10/14/2005
xw wrote:
adagio wrote:说你呢,横行公子却无肠...翻翻三十八回末就知道了。
这是林姑娘的咏蟹诗吧?跟仲夏的花园有甚关系?要不我们劝笨笨再写一首仲秋的花园?
gee, I miss the flavor of old fat crab! my mouth is watering ...
三十八回重温过了。你这人也油头滑脑的起来,唉,世风日下,老朽很感郁悴 ...
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